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Post by kimmo on Sept 1, 2017 9:05:45 GMT -6
They have songs on Myspace here, and there's a song on YouTube here. As for the split, I don't have it either, but two of the songs on Myspace are from there, so that should give you an idea. Oh, and if you're curious about the other (secular?) band on the split, they have their half of the split on Bandcamp. Thanks! The Myspace page did not work on my computer for some reason. The one on Youtube sounds pretty good. Not outstanding, but makes me consider picking up the split. There was also an EP on Discogs, I put that on my wantlist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 13:07:08 GMT -6
I just realized that Agathothodion isn't on this list...I know the music is pretty bad and this was one of those old E.E.E. bands, but does it/should it qualify?
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 1, 2017 13:46:09 GMT -6
I listened to a bit of audio on YouTube and it seems to be "metal" so I added it.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 4, 2017 11:52:28 GMT -6
So I decided to take a trip around this original post to see what I could find. I deliberately grabbed a band I've never heard of, and tried to find information and music about/from them online. I chose from "groups" per country - I'm defining the term group here by more than 4 known projects in the entire country, and I'm listening to at least 3 songs if there are that many available. I'm doing this to expand my own awareness of the Christian black metal scene, NI my intention is not to discredit this list - though what I'm doing and with my blatant opinion on the subject.... Here are the results. Easy to find. I was a little worried to see the metal archives description as "atmospheric black/doom" - but there's plenty of music on YouTube and its "satisfyingly black". Not as (overall) fast as what I like, and the clean vocals aren't extremely pleasing to my ears, but my opinion, this is a good entry. Easy to find - surprising because this band has been dead since this millennium started. Ok, they have corpse paint in their pictures, and there's some black metal type vocals sometimes. I love the lofi productions, but.... where's the black metal? I would not consider this to be an accurate entry. If this band is on this list, we might as well put Kohllapse on it too. This was a little harder to find. Metal Archives had this listed as black metal, which made me more eager to hear the music. The cover art is cool, and while I'm a fan of lofi, I find this mix hard to swallow because apart from the drums playing flat out doom, all I hear is highhat. ...which only makes it sound "mostly ambient". The vocals are black. There's a sense of some DSBM kind of thing going on, but this is closer to what I did with Disgyblaeth than anything "metal". I do dig it, but its "black atmosphere" is the only thing black about it. Well, I found the metal archives entry, but other than that, I can only find a praise and worship band under this name, and people blowing into animal horns. I fully expected not to find a few entries on this list, but this only further deadens the silence when all I have to go off of this "black metal" band, is 1 jpg. Found the metal archives entry. This is some kick ass thrash, with symphonic, death and Gothenburg elements. Extremely well produced, well played. I'm going to jam out to more of this. I'm surprised I haven't heard of this in a way.... but this is absolutely 0% black metal. There is NO black at ALL here. !?!?!??? So the only mention of this band that I can find on Google, is Google referencing this very thread and a couple file sharing blogs. 0 results on YouTube for Destinglor. Nice pictures, but that is it. Wow. NICE music video. From the wardrobe, to every aspect of of the music, this is 100% death metal, 0% black metal. The "Time To Kill The Beast" album is pretty well put together. Sadly, this is as "black metal" as Limp Biscuit is "country". My inner 90's Christian death metal self approves, but is bored by the pace of the music. Metal Archives entry calls this death/black metal. There is definitely some black in this, mostly in the vocals, and it sounds really good, but really this is some solid blackened Gothenburg/melodic death metal. Ancient Uncreated Incarnation Pretty unique. Its got a lofi/noise approach to the music, which I like, with pretty good slam/grind vocals. I wouldn't consider this to be black metal at all. If this band is on the Unblack list, we need to put Vomitorial Corpulence on the list as well. It's got a cyber black thing going on, with that "robotic" sounding guitar distortion and drum machine. Reminds me a bit of a mix of Horde and Amelioration. Pretty interesting stuff, and I'm happy to see SOME speed. A very old and lofi black metal sounding. At times, it feels more like "garage metal" than black metal, but at least there IS considerable black there! !!!!!!!!!! A lofi black gem! I want to grab their demo, run it through my mastering algorithms and jam out to it! After seeing the album cover, I realize that I've listened to this before. Gregorian chant folk metal is an accurate descriptor, which makes sense since its from the band itself. I'm quite satisfied with the musicianship. Certainly black enough, but I'm spending minutes at a time BEGGING for the fast parts to come back. The first track I listened to, it sounded kind of "slammy" to be black metal, but after listening more - I see some black. Can't really get into this one. Its got some speed, its got a good lofi sound. The riffs and vocal layouts just scream "grind played as black metal" to me though, for some reason... Cool Cornerstone footage. The only thing "black" about this project, is the vocals. There's a ton of death metal elements, and I'm really confused as to why the band themselves doesn't even use a hybrid descriptor. ____________________ Ok, I've had enough for now. Overall, my opinion as a random bystander, this list needs a lot of work. Its not a total wash - because of this little experiment, I found 3 legitimate Christian BLACK METAL projects I want to hear MORE of. I know you guys have heard my gripe about hybrids. Having (as CW said I said on another thread) "straight up death metal" on this list, is MORE of a problem. Also a problem, projects that someone who KNOWS how to use Google, can't find ANY music of. I don't think this is NI's responsibility to maintain this list ALONE. He was only generous enough with his time to put it together in the first place, with the contributions in this thread, as well as his general knowledge. I know this thread is dedicated more to what exists than what's released, or is releasing.... but there has to be some verification, or else its just like a store actively advertising something that is out of stock or a completely different item. I'm willing to help out with this. It would be nice if others voiced their willingness as well. Our scene is dead, dying and scattered - anyone paying attention will see this. While one list on one thread on one forum isn't going to "save the scene", if we can all get on the same page regarding proper genre classification, we will have a more prominent voice. Thank you,
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 4, 2017 18:24:51 GMT -6
Also a problem, projects that someone who KNOWS how to use Google, can't find ANY music of. I don't see these as a problem - I've added some of them myself. I've generally taken an "innocent until proven guilty" sort of approach to this list (which is also probably why there are a few bands on here whose closeness to the "black metal" style is ... debatable!) But anyway, take that band from Portugal for example -- the only place I found any info about it was on some old site, I think on archive.org. Or "Frozen Scene", all I could find was a Myspace page with no info on it. I figure it's fair to leave those names here until we have a reason to remove them. Personally I see this more as a list of names than a store that's advertising something. Even though some people probably will see it that way anyway. By the way: It's got a cyber black thing going on, with that "robotic" sounding guitar distortion and drum machine. Reminds me a bit of a mix of Horde and Amelioration. Pretty interesting stuff, and I'm happy to see SOME speed. By the way if you like Himmelriket, you'd almost definitely like Kenneth's other metal projects -- Nattesorg, Desmodus Rotundus, and Leave the Past Behind. Almost all of the music released under those names is on YouTube.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 4, 2017 20:06:32 GMT -6
I've generally taken an "innocent until proven guilty" sort of approach to this list Sorry bro. In a world where someone knows how to play a guitar and has a phone, they can have some music somewhere if they're active enough to be considered a band. This is a very "carry the wounded" thing to do to include stuff gone long enough that the music's lost. I agree with the sentiment, but its not currently accurate. If this is a "History of Known Projects", its perfectly fine. For someone using this to look for new music, its not fine at all. Kenneth's other metal projects I'm already familiar with Nattesorg.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 4, 2017 20:22:57 GMT -6
If this is a "History of Known Projects", its perfectly fine. That's pretty much what I personally intended this to be.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 4, 2017 20:38:09 GMT -6
I'm sure you're a busy dude, but how about a thread of bands that have releases, or at least recordings? Perhaps categorizing projects by "Released" and "Still Releasing"? Anyone else wanna help?
I'd make it myself, but the only list of "CBM bands" I have is this very thread, and I don't quite have the time to go through ALL those bands right now...
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 4, 2017 20:59:19 GMT -6
If you give me some more specific criteria I could compile the list itself. I would need help from other people of course, but I could get the list itself started anyway. Do you want bands that are still active (ie Antestor, Crimson Moonlight etc)? Or just ones that we know released something at some point in time (ie Parakletos, Belzidum, etc)?
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Post by kimmo on Sept 5, 2017 0:28:05 GMT -6
Personally, I like the Enschrouding EP's more than the full length, more black too:
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 5, 2017 9:09:53 GMT -6
^ Oh yeah, that's something to keep in mind too, that bands change style. For example The Synics Awakening did a death metal album, but they also did a (symphonic black?) album at one point, too, so I think it's safe to include them here. Same with Timoratus.
Or Adveniath. They played death metal on their EP, but they also called themselves death/black back in the day and did other songs I haven't heard yet, so I was planning to keep them on the list until I could find those files somewhere, get them to work on Myspace etc.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 5, 2017 10:32:31 GMT -6
If you give me some more specific criteria I could compile the list itself. I would need help from other people of course, but I could get the list itself started anyway. Do you want bands that are still active (ie Antestor, Crimson Moonlight etc)? Or just ones that we know released something at some point in time (ie Parakletos, Belzidum, etc)? All of the above. Like broken into categories if possible: #1 projects that have releases and are known to still be releasing material #2 projects that have releases but they are no longer active #3 projects that don't have releases, but there are recordings (something more than samples) to listen to ^ Oh yeah, that's something to keep in mind too, that bands change style. I'm fine with this, as long as its documented what's what and there's CONSISTENCY. That Enshrouding EP is definitely more black than their full length, (thanks for posting that kimmo !) but since I had nothing to go off besides a name, what I found was the "death metal" album and all I could think was - "Why is this on the list?" My opinion, referencing a release that's black metal, from a project that did other types of metal otherwise is fine. A black metal SONG from a project that doesn't do black metal (Crimson Thorn, Kohllapse, etc.) should not by mentioned.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 5, 2017 10:41:27 GMT -6
The original post on this thread, (the unblack project list) if SOMEONE could go through and (for example), Put a # next to project names with other releases not black metal Put a * next to project names that are hybrids Put a % next to project names that there are no music for
EDIT: better yet, just color code the project names
It would be a massive, stupendous, monumental, incredible, wonderful, fantastic, extraordinary, impressive, magnificent, marvelous, spectacular, insert 257 other synonyms here, update to this list. No separate thread would be requested! This list would have everything needed for someone looking for new CBM.
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Post by kimmo on Sept 6, 2017 0:35:05 GMT -6
Speaking of Enscrouding, those EP's are pretty hard to get and the full lenght was the only one released by an actual label, so it is pretty understandable that the reference is more to the "full product". This brings me to the OFF TOPIC thing about christian metal releases in general; There are some that are pretty awesome but dont get the recognition they deserve because they are limited edition releases. And of course I understand this (Its hard to know what is going to sell and whats not ect) but I think it is awesome what Vision of God is doing; re-releasing stuff. Sure, it might still be an ungrateful job and the masses will not "get it", but I really respect the effort! It is sure a tough and frustrating field to work on.
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Post by kimmo on Sept 6, 2017 0:59:09 GMT -6
Then there is the thing when the artist denounces their earlier work. Completely understandable, if they think it is bad quality/doesnt represent them or stuff like that. But for a fan, it can be frustrating at times
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 13, 2017 11:35:50 GMT -6
Forgot to add In Aeternum Mortis from Brazil. Added now. Also if anyone's wondering about the list Thomas mentioned ... I haven't started on it, honestly. He's given his opinion but I'd appreciate some input from other people too (before I start on it only to find no one else is interested, etc)
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 13, 2017 19:21:32 GMT -6
Forgot to add In Aeternum Mortis from Brazil. Added now. Also if anyone's wondering about the list Thomas mentioned ... I haven't started on it, honestly. He's given his opinion but I'd appreciate some input from other people too (before I start on it only to find no one else is interested, etc) Other updates today: Removed Efezus. They are Christian, but they play thrash metal, not black metal. Added Orden Suprema and Fragment Soul from El Salvador. I don't have any more information right now other than their names and logos. (If you're wondering why I didn't add Secunda Morte, also on that page, that's because that project is already included here, in the "Mexico" section.)
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 29, 2017 18:39:52 GMT -6
Added Hormusck from Columbia. They released a demo in 2012. Not sure if it was ever available physically, but they did include a download link in the description of ^ that video! More information hopefully coming soon.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 29, 2017 19:44:18 GMT -6
Added Hormusck from Columbia. They released a demo in 2012. Not sure if it was ever available physically, but they did include a download link in the description of ^ that video! More information hopefully coming soon. - No physical releases - They changed their name to Helligdom, though it's a one-man "project" now instead of a proper "band" - The project is still active - The person behind this project is working on new material (apparently to be released digitally).
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Oct 6, 2017 11:02:48 GMT -6
Jefferson from Sabactani has a new side project with Christian lyrics, Alfiginistair. Here it is. I like it, personally. And yes, I know the guitars aren't distorted at all; I'm not going to argue here about what point blackgaze is "metal enough" - to me it's close enough.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Oct 22, 2017 14:25:06 GMT -6
Added Irgalom. Originally it seemed a bit too "death metal" for me to include in a thread for black metal, but this EP definitely seems to fit the bill. Good music, regardless of genre. Also noteworthy as our first (known) band from Hungary!
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Oct 26, 2017 9:37:52 GMT -6
Moved Ekklesia Mortifis (Man Killed Eden) to the USA section. As stated in another thread recently, the project was based in Massachusetts.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Oct 27, 2017 9:54:59 GMT -6
1) Added (Othniel) to Ancient Fortress, since they used to go by that name. 2) Added Kenn/Nattesorg's new project Omsorg to the Norway section.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 1, 2017 20:23:13 GMT -6
Added a 90s band called Day of Disaster from Denmark. I can't get the Myspace song to work. Actually, I can't get any Myspace songs to work lately. Dunno why. EDIT: AUDIO FOUND! Thanks grendel! VERY beautiful, uplifting music!
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 15, 2017 13:29:38 GMT -6
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Post by madkraken on Nov 23, 2017 23:27:40 GMT -6
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 24, 2017 12:47:25 GMT -6
WHAT How did I forget them? I even have their album! Added now, thanks madkraken!
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 25, 2017 21:52:57 GMT -6
Added Soterion from Chile. Been labeled as "anti-Christian" on Metal Archives for years now, but apparently they really are Christians. It seems like such a simple job, doesn't it? Do some Googling, skim a few pages on archive.org, and share my findings. But no. It's a big mess. The internet is a big mess. UPDATE: I added (Soterion) to Almagor instead. I assume most of you recognize the name Almagor, or if not, at least the cover art, right? Turns out that's actually a continuation of the apparently-Christian Soterion.
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Post by grendel on Nov 26, 2017 7:02:44 GMT -6
Big thanks, NI, for your tireless dedication to UNblack Metal do you have that Soterion`s Cult of Lies Demo? I have it - for years in my non-Christian section, now I could remove it to the right side
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 26, 2017 11:56:47 GMT -6
Big thanks, NI, for your tireless dedication to UNblack Metal do you have that Soterion`s Cult of Lies Demo? I have it - for years in my non-Christian section, now I could remove it to the right side I'm really glad people appreciate it Both bands and listeners. As for the demo, I just got a download of it, but I don't have the CD itself.
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