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Post by frozenfire on Oct 17, 2019 19:38:04 GMT -6
I went to a Christian school as a kid. Pretty much everyone had Psalm 23 memorized. XD Slight change of plans about the lyrics. Also, I'm slightly annoyed about it. I'm glad I looked into this before I started recording, but the NLT version of the Bible is copyrighted by Tyndale Publishers. Actually, a lot of Bible versions are copyright. While there's a fairly generous "fair use guideline" that these versions seem to share, they pretty much cover that if its their version on/for/in something sold for money (their examples included shirts, recorded music, and other things) written permission from them is required before proceeding. Sorry, but I don't like that - at all. I mean, **its the Holy Bible**. They didn't write it, they're just used their wording for it (someone else's writing) and somehow calling it theirs. Honestly, this is killing my love for the NLT version a little bit. I mean *coins a transliteration of the Bible* = "this is MINE, you need my permission to use it" *coins a transliteration of Shakespeare* - "I just patchwork plagiarized Shakespeare." LUCKILY, there are "public domain" versions of the Bible - not very many, but I'm glad SOME people "get it". Out of all of them available, the WEB version (World English Bible) fits the modern vernacular the best, IMO. I'm glad this isn't really a setback. -_- Yeah. Strange for sure. I use the NET a lot because it is a textual criticism Bible and has a ton of why this word, why this passage commentary done in extreme detail. It's public domain and pretty accurate and "plain." It's not my daily Bible but it's pretty solid.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 18, 2019 10:08:50 GMT -6
The good news is that copyright holders for Bible translations are far more lenient than others. They recognize that the Bible will be used and cited far more than any other books or copyrighted materials. Yeah, the fair use guidelines are generous. I think with that, no one should have to worry about copyright infringement with any version of the Bible for any articles, devotions, church bulletins, banners and signs, etc. ....but for what I'm doing, based on the rest of their permissions, I WOULD have to get written permission from them. There's several reasons why I don't want to even ask. I would actually predict they'd say it would be fine to use - since its more accurate to say that I'm selling my music more than I'm selling their part of Psalm 119.... but... I'd have to include in the CD insert and download pages this (not exaggerating) paragraph long disclaimer regarding their copyright status, and my expressed written permission to use it. Or..... I could just the World English Bible, and that's the end of it. I hope this "problem" leads to creativity. Well, some of the NLT version of Psalm 119 I like better, but actually, some things about the WEB version I like better than NLT. NLT uses the word "regulations" a lot. Eh.... WEB uses the word "ordinances". I like that better. I actually belted out these vocals yesterday afternoon. My throat is adequately tossed. I wiped myself out with that, and mixing. Still mixing this morning. I was halfway through howling and growling before it dawned on me, I'd actually have a nonexistant JPM. (whereas the prior Orationem lyrics had a lot of that) Derp. Of course. Old testament. ...but, I've got something else having used the WEB version. A "YPM". (Yahweh per minute) Yeah. Strange for sure. I use the NET a lot because it is a textual criticism Bible and has a ton of why this word, why this passage commentary done in extreme detail. It's public domain and pretty accurate and "plain." It's not my daily Bible but it's pretty solid. Unfortunately, the NET version of the Bible is copyright, and not public domain. netbible.com/ has their commercial and non-commercial use guidelines. www.harpercollinschristian.com/sales-and-rights/licensing/ here's where to apply for licensing, if someone wants to use the NET version for commercial use. (I'm confident "in music sold" or in a sold devotional book IS commercial use) This is just like the NLT and many other Bible versions. I am aware of 60 different English versions of the Bible. I am only aware of 8 of them having no copyright obligations, and are true public domain. American Standard Version (ASV) Darby Translation (DARBY) Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) King James Version (KJV) World English Bible (WEB) Young's Literal Translation (YLT) Reina-Valera Antigua (RVA) Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 18, 2019 10:28:55 GMT -6
I actually belted out these vocals yesterday afternoon. My throat is adequately tossed. I wiped myself out with that, and mixing. Still mixing this morning. Recording the actual vocals doesn't actually take too long. Some sections took a few attempts/takes, but it took me about 2 hours to get 30+ minutes of vocals recorded. What's taking more time is in waiting for the algorithms to process (compressions to make the voice a similar volume) and then tweaks to individual words. Every Orationem, I run into the same "issues". If a phrase ends in a soft consonant sound (like "v") then I may have to go in help that v sound out. Hard consonant sounds like t, p, or "ts" rarely need help, even if they're quieter than the soft consonants. The best example in this album with Psalm 119 - the word "law" and "love" are used quite a bit. If that "v" sound is too quiet (it isn't always, but often is) then I gotta go in and help just that one part of that one word out. (so it doesn't sound like I'm saying "I law you") HAHA!!! XD
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Post by frozenfire on Oct 18, 2019 13:55:54 GMT -6
The good news is that copyright holders for Bible translations are far more lenient than others. They recognize that the Bible will be used and cited far more than any other books or copyrighted materials. Yeah, the fair use guidelines are generous. I think with that, no one should have to worry about copyright infringement with any version of the Bible for any articles, devotions, church bulletins, banners and signs, etc. ....but for what I'm doing, based on the rest of their permissions, I WOULD have to get written permission from them. There's several reasons why I don't want to even ask. I would actually predict they'd say it would be fine to use - since its more accurate to say that I'm selling my music more than I'm selling their part of Psalm 119.... but... I'd have to include in the CD insert and download pages this (not exaggerating) paragraph long disclaimer regarding their copyright status, and my expressed written permission to use it. Or..... I could just the World English Bible, and that's the end of it. I hope this "problem" leads to creativity. Well, some of the NLT version of Psalm 119 I like better, but actually, some things about the WEB version I like better than NLT. NLT uses the word "regulations" a lot. Eh.... WEB uses the word "ordinances". I like that better. I actually belted out these vocals yesterday afternoon. My throat is adequately tossed. I wiped myself out with that, and mixing. Still mixing this morning. I was halfway through howling and growling before it dawned on me, I'd actually have a nonexistant JPM. (whereas the prior Orationem lyrics had a lot of that) Derp. Of course. Old testament. ...but, I've got something else having used the WEB version. A "YPM". (Yahweh per minute) Yeah. Strange for sure. I use the NET a lot because it is a textual criticism Bible and has a ton of why this word, why this passage commentary done in extreme detail. It's public domain and pretty accurate and "plain." It's not my daily Bible but it's pretty solid. Unfortunately, the NET version of the Bible is copyright, and not public domain. netbible.com/ has their commercial and non-commercial use guidelines. www.harpercollinschristian.com/sales-and-rights/licensing/ here's where to apply for licensing, if someone wants to use the NET version for commercial use. (I'm confident "in music sold" or in a sold devotional book IS commercial use) This is just like the NLT and many other Bible versions. I am aware of 60 different English versions of the Bible. I am only aware of 8 of them having no copyright obligations, and are true public domain. American Standard Version (ASV) Darby Translation (DARBY) Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) King James Version (KJV) World English Bible (WEB) Young's Literal Translation (YLT) Reina-Valera Antigua (RVA) Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE) Good to know! When I just read the preface to the Bible the wording seemed far more free and open. There's a lot more buried underneath those seemingly noble words.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 20, 2019 7:39:59 GMT -6
Figures. It took a few hours to record the vocals. Took a few days to mix them. That's done and I did another backup last night. Trying some mastering today. I would be very surprised if I DIDN'T have to go back to my mix and make a few adjustments, but that's typical. I have been here before. ...and I'll figure it out. :B
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 20, 2019 15:04:09 GMT -6
I gave this master I made a few spins. Hey I think I did pretty good! My wife (who's hearing is better than mine) agrees - the drums need turned down a little more. (even from the reduction from the last sample) Its a bit of a double edged sword, you know? Yeah, its not the best that I'm having to put forth the effort to get the drums under control in the mix... but at the same time, I'm grateful I can drum with such vigor and intensity. I'm thinking I could get the MUSIC part done today. Artwork would be next on the agenda. Also, I couldn't resist making a meme.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 20, 2019 19:42:24 GMT -6
I am happier than a fat kid at Christmas listening to this latest master. Perfect production, this is not, but I find it excellent. Drums are nice and strong. But not too strong. Tomorrow, intros, outros and interludes for where the song drops down to 1 instrument. Also, while listening to this, the idea for the artwork just hit me. I'm sure I can pull off a black metal representation of Psalm 119:105.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 22, 2019 16:31:54 GMT -6
I hope you guys like this!
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Oct 22, 2019 18:15:38 GMT -6
Sounds great! Very fitting for the colder, darker weather moving in.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 23, 2019 7:40:05 GMT -6
I've updated orationem.com for the new album. Also, new shirt incoming. Duane told me, he's ready to press this album IMMEDIATELY. I will have everything done and sent to him tomorrow. Lots of I know, but I'm feeling XD
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Oct 23, 2019 10:28:36 GMT -6
Lots of I know, but I'm feeling XD RATI NEM
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 23, 2019 13:11:22 GMT -6
I will have everything done and sent to him tomorrow. ← Liar!!! I got it done sooner than I thought, so I'm sending everything over today. :B
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 23, 2019 13:22:17 GMT -6
By the way, if you really really REALLY want to be jamming out to this now, a $5 donate on the Orationem site will get you PMed 320kbs ID3Tagged MP3s. if you give a $5 donation (donation button is on orationem.com), as a token of my gratitude, I will private message/email/whichever-you-prefer, a direct download link for 320kbs tagged MP3s Well now, I can't break tradition, can I? Starting today, this offer applies to the new "Your Word Is A Lamp To My Feet". (a $5 donation, link on orationem.com, will receive a ZIP file, with 320kbs tagged MP3s of the full album) This offer will end Halloween morning.
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Post by barabbas on Oct 26, 2019 11:41:59 GMT -6
Thomas, I like the new elements/"sound." It came together well.
I'm a little confused about the chorus that you said you were adding - is it the kind of keyboard pad sound that isn't very prominent in the mix?
Where did you find the nice wind effects?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 26, 2019 13:05:10 GMT -6
Thomas, I like the new elements/"sound." It came together well. Thank you! ...and I agree! I'm a little confused about the chorus that you said you were adding - is it the kind of keyboard pad sound that isn't very prominent in the mix? There is no keyboard/pad used whatsoever. That is several layers of my clean singing voice, of course mired in reverb and the guitar chaos. Its intended to be subtle (Orationem has never really been "atmospheric black metal"), this is basically me mic-humming in 2 octaves along with what the guitars are doing. There's a few spots where you can hear it by itself (well, by itself with howling winds) Like the beginning of track 8 in that album sampler... I know I used the word "choir" and I get your confusion. Sorry about that, but I wasn't sure what else to call it. "synth" would be inaccurate since its not an instrument at all, its my voice in a mic. No its not like a REAL choir where its tons and tons of voices singing words in unison. Its more like a real-voice impersonation of a single note(s) (octaves) "choir ah" sound on a keyboard. XD Where did you find the nice wind effects? YouTube is a TREASURE TROVE of royalty-free and no-copyright sound effects, sound clips, etc. You're 1 YouTube search away from finding more than you could know what to do with. Some of the royalty-free / no-copyright, the "author" of the video wants some sort of recognition/credit. I do not use these, no matter how wonderful they are. Hey, I'm all for giving credit where credit's due, but there's a few reasons why I choose to use the sound from the videos, where the author doesn't require recognition/credit. - its only used to fill dead air or to accompany a single instrument. It isn't the song that I recorded, it only briefly announces for it. - no person is the author of howling winds, thunderstorms, and other sounds of our earth. Said person can only use their device/equipment, software and talent to capture/record these sounds the Lord of Creation has made. ___________________ The release date of "YWIALTMF" (typing that makes me for some reason) will be "November 2019". Duane has 1 other CMU release ahead of this, but this is next in the queue.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 13, 2019 15:00:22 GMT -6
Some good news and bad news regarding Orationem: Good news - The "Your Word Is A Lamp To My Feet" album is now available to order at the Vision of God Records store: visionofgodrecords.com/product/orationem-your-word-is-a-lamp-to-my-feet-cd/Worldwide digital distribution (including BandCamp) will be available soon! Bad news - its with a slightly heavy heart and annoyance that I've removed the shirts for sale in the Orationem.com merchandise section. The vendor I was using changed ownership a couple months ago. I didn't think much about it until I ordered the new shirt, and got something comparable in quality to a tacky iron-on. (The ownership before, would make the black on the print transparent - so the black is the shirt, not the print. This looks great. The ownership now, prints black on a black shirt. The problem with this is, the black print and the black shirt aren't the same shade, so shirts now have a horrible looking print-border, hence my tacky-iron-on-looking remark) I went through their email customer service to try to get it fixed, and they ghosted (ignored) me. Its been over a week with no reply. I tried to call the phone number for them that's on their shipment confirmation and invoice, and the number has been disconnected. I guess they're just a scam now. (terrible looking shirts for the same price, with no way to resolve issues) More sorta good news, Duane at Vision of God wants to do Orationem shirts, but I don't have a time frame as of yet for when they will be available again...
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 13, 2019 21:23:26 GMT -6
You did the right thing. Companies like that don't need sellers using their services, and they don't need customers' money. Makes the seller look bad, and gives the customer a low-quality product. Unfortunately some people (not giving names obviously) still use pretty crappy third-party services. Can't blame them too much, in the underground-underground. But being that you're in a position where you can get better-quality merch, I'm very glad you're going that route.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 16, 2019 11:39:13 GMT -6
I don't have a problem with using a company that's a 3rd party. In fact, for my job I work as a 3rd party doing customer service for multiple national brands. Its the obvious change in quality (lower quality) that really made this unacceptable. ....being ignored when I reported the issue, was a nail in that coffin.
I actually filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. I was actually impressed that they said they would reach out to the business for me, for resolution. Its sad when they won't reach out to the customer, but hopefully the BBB contacting them will get them in gear.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 18, 2019 18:34:56 GMT -6
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 21, 2019 13:56:18 GMT -6
Hey Hey Hey! "Your Word Is A Lamp To My Feet" releases tomorrow. So glad to see BandCamp's Editorial Director supporting this release. (you can see in the link above) You can also hear all the track on BandCamp now. (same link above)
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Post by avjr on Nov 21, 2019 16:35:27 GMT -6
Hey Hey Hey! "Your Word Is A Lamp To My Feet" releases tomorrow. So glad to see BandCamp's Editorial Director supporting this release. (you can see in the link above) You can also hear all the track on BandCamp now. (same link above) I can’t wait!
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Post by _ on Nov 21, 2019 19:43:05 GMT -6
It's super cool that the editorial director bought the album.
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Post by Bartimaeus on Nov 22, 2019 7:18:21 GMT -6
I follow him on BC and noticed that he really likes your music, Tom. He mentioned that also in the write up of Disgyblaeth
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Post by avjr on Nov 22, 2019 18:09:13 GMT -6
I like the album, Thomas. I am going to put it on my top list of 2019.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 23, 2019 10:29:44 GMT -6
I am going to put it on my top list of 2019. I'm honored bro! I'm quite happy with how this release turned out. I've had some good feedback so far, here of course, and elsewhere online too. Hey, this is far from a perfect release, but I think I hit a fair amount of "excellence", at least as far as my ears are concerned. I don't expect everyone to love it, but some people do! I hope this don't sound conceited or terrible, but its not unusual for me to spin this album 2 times in 1 day, for my own listening enjoyment. Even my wife has put up with this torture.
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Post by avjr on Nov 24, 2019 11:19:54 GMT -6
I am going to put it on my top list of 2019. I'm honored bro! I'm quite happy with how this release turned out. I've had some good feedback so far, here of course, and elsewhere online too. Hey, this is far from a perfect release, but I think I hit a fair amount of "excellence", at least as far as my ears are concerned. I don't expect everyone to love it, but some people do! I hope this don't sound conceited or terrible, but its not unusual for me to spin this album 2 times in 1 day, for my own listening enjoyment. Even my wife has put up with this torture. Nice! I am also thinking about which Orationem album I am going to put on my Top 100 albums of 2010’s.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 27, 2019 12:24:32 GMT -6
I got this album in the mail today. Man, Duane did a GREAT job making these. Looks great. Sounds great. Also, its apparent I take CD quality for granted compared to digital. 320kbs MP3s are observably "less" than 1411kbs WAV on the audio CD - even my busted up hearing can grasp the difference.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 4, 2019 13:25:18 GMT -6
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 4, 2019 13:39:24 GMT -6
Worldwide digital distribution Duane just told me he's gearing up for this.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Dec 4, 2019 19:27:32 GMT -6
I haven't listened to much Orationem tbh, but the other night I played When We Are Wounded in full to drown out the noise of my moronic neighbors. The guitar sounds are really weird and take a while for me to get used to. I LOVE the vocals--totally sounds like some kind of dark fantasy creature shouting out a warning to unwary travelers.
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