Post by julienbakerfan on Jul 9, 2020 20:38:15 GMT -6
Just curious about everyone's song processes.
Often I come up with a title or a lyric first, then build a song around it. I usually come up with a lot of the song in my head and then figure it out on guitar, though sometimes I jam around on the guitar and come up with something. I usually keep songs in my head for a long time before I write them down or complete them. The good side is that I'm able to filter out anything I come up with that isn't memorable; the bad side is I have a lot of uncompleted song ideas in my head that I've never written down or recorded.
I hate recording and rarely do it.
A fan of Julien Baker. Julien is love. Julien is life. Black metal is pretty good too.
I think I would too if recording for me was separate from the writing.
For Orationem/Ankou Awaits, I start with the drums, without knowing what anything else in the music is. Actually, without even knowing what the drums will be. Black metal is really only less than a dozen different beats anyway so... I just sit down to play different combinations (sort of) than what I did before, and the recording of that is just me "going" on drums. (well the first 3 Ankou Awaits albums were sequenced drums but still done first)
Once I have a skeleton for all the songs (just a number of only drumming tracks) then I go to record guitars for it. I have no idea what I'm going to play when I go to record. I more or less playback a section of drums a couple times, "find" guitar riffs I want (playing with the drums I recorded), then record it after I'd practiced it a few times. Repeat for all guitars, all sections, all songs, full album.
(An issue I had in the 5th, 6th and 7th Orationem albums is I would "find again", riffs I already did on prior albums - so I'd have to scrap them, then "find" brand new ones.)
Then I write lyrics. Or yoink them from scripture which is much laziereasier less work. I have no idea what the vocals will be like while writing lyrics, but it works out. Then I record vocals. Much like my drum and guitars writing, its just winged, and I record a briefly practiced winging.
When it comes to my piano stuff, its more like the writing you described, julienbakerfan. (I'll include the 2nd Disgyblaeth with this as well) I spend time at the piano writing a "song", memorizing what I wrote, practicing it over and over so I can consistently play it without mistakes, then I go to record it.
The sequenced albums I wrote (4 Hguols, 1st Disgyblaeth) its much like the guitar recording process... except instead of recording live guitar, I sequence the notes in the pattern I wrote them, while in arms reach of the software I'm using to put it together.
Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jul 12, 2020 9:38:58 GMT -6
It varies so much for me. Most often, I have musical ideas and write lyrics based around them ("Ab Morte Libera Me"). Sometimes I write lyrics first and write music to go along with them. At least once I've written lyrics and music separately, then just fit them together somehow ("God, Conqueror of Dark Spiritual Legions").
Sometimes I improvise everything. (Basically every Ligature Strangulation song)
Sometimes I have an idea of how I want an entire release to go, and write based on that. (Catacomb EP)
It depends from song to song. Sometimes I start with a song title, or a riff, or a theme (be it musical or lyrical) then I build the song around it. Very often I improvise on an idea and see where it takes me. But other times, I have a precise idea that I "just" have to record.
I do love all of it, writing, singing, recording, making cover art everything except mixing(i´m bad at mixing)
Post by thevociferator on Jul 28, 2020 0:54:11 GMT -6
So for me it depends on the style of music I'm writing.
For all metal styles I basically do what Thomas described. I start with drums, except I do things per drumbeat section. So I sequence a drum pattern then I find a riff to do with it. Rinse and repeat until satisfied. I then go back over and record bass and then whatever leads come to me. After that then I will come up with lyrics. I haven't been super serious about my metal lyrics lately so it's just been random crap lately until I feel like if something needs words and will actually be released, then I'll actually care.
But I'm also working on a country project with my roommate and that is the inverse process. We start with vox, then find a chord progression, then do drums and everything else. That's still a very new thing of mine though so not sure when it'll warrant any other post about it.
Also I'll say that all the real creative juices of a metal song for me comes from the riffs, so I may get ideas while just jamming but once I get into songwriting mode I still start with drums.
progton777: Last year Righteoss Wrath posted a song on his facebook page, i am addicted to that song, and even the quality of the production is not that good its kind of a haunting song, with some furious melodic riffs.
Jun 19, 2020 15:32:01 GMT -6
julienbakerfan: @bartimaeus not really; the other person onvolved deletes their comment amd rehashing it wouldn't be good for me
Jun 21, 2020 22:05:45 GMT -6
julienbakerfan: Typos because phone broken
Jun 21, 2020 22:06:01 GMT -6
nocturnaliridescence: I wonder what black metal with just bass and no normal guitars would sound like. I know I have other obligations, but then I just get these sporadic ideas in my head.
Jun 29, 2020 0:47:17 GMT -6
Bartimaeus: Isn't that sort of what death therapy does, but with death metal? I'd be interested to *hear* how it sounds.
Jul 2, 2020 8:07:04 GMT -6
nocturnaliridescence: It turns out that yeah, there are a few projects that do this already. Didn't know there was a Christian one! The ideas I had sounded different though, a bit more "minimalistic". We'll see if the ideas end up sucking or not!
Jul 3, 2020 16:03:43 GMT -6
julienbakerfan: nocturnaliridescence I've seen quite a few of these projects on Bandcamp, but I always skipped past them because I didn't like the concept. I think there's a dinosaur-themed one that I can't remember off the top of my head. It may be death/doom.
Jul 7, 2020 19:58:00 GMT -6
nocturnaliridescence: Are you thinking of Thecodontion? (Secular band.) According to MA their lyrical themes are "Prehistory, Fossils, Paleontology"
Jul 8, 2020 10:59:25 GMT -6
julienbakerfan: I think I am thinking of Thecodontion, but I couldn't remember how it was spelled.
Jul 9, 2020 20:35:09 GMT -6
thevociferator: just got back from a christian metalcore show that was a part of Exodo Fest and I got to say I was a bit disappointed with the crowd. There were like these two older guys in the middle of the pit just taking videos of the show with their phone.
Jul 24, 2020 0:51:22 GMT -6
julienbakerfan: Shows are happening? With pits?
Jul 24, 2020 19:53:17 GMT -6
nocturnaliridescence: Yeah I thought Exodo Fest was all digital/livestreaming this year
Jul 25, 2020 10:22:44 GMT -6
avjr: I know concerts are happening in other states in America. There are no concerts in California. Sadly.
Jul 26, 2020 21:39:28 GMT -6
julienbakerfan: Concerts are happening in Arkansas, but I'm not going. I live in a hotspot at the moment.
Jul 27, 2020 20:17:26 GMT -6
nocturnaliridescence: It's going to be awkward if I ever reach a point where I do concerts. I have never been to a concert. I don't normally watch concert footage. I have very little idea what the "concert experience" is like.
Jul 29, 2020 22:12:51 GMT -6