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Post by Varg on Jun 29, 2015 15:35:36 GMT -6
What do you play, and which gear du you use?
I play guitars and do some screaming vox. For my guitar playing I use Esp viper and Ibanez Rg guitars. and I have a Ibanez for bass guitars. Shure sm58 is my choice for vocals at live gigs and rehearsals. I'm not a gear freak. But it is always interesting to hear what other uses. So what do you have?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jun 30, 2015 9:39:20 GMT -6
I'm not a gear freak either. My electric guitar says "Dean" at the head of it. Bought it from a pawn shop. My acoustic guitar says "Epiphone" at the head of it. It was a present or something, I don't remember.
Bass guitar? Never owned one. Black metal doesn't need it.
I got a nice instrument mic from my brother for Christmas. (He would know what kind it is) (I only use this one mic to record my drums - HAHA!!!)
...but for vocals I use a cheap $15 Radio Shack brand mic.
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Post by blake on Jun 30, 2015 12:44:02 GMT -6
I dont play any instruments. I just use Reason 4.0 on my pc, paired with Adobe Audition, Audacity and a Blue Snowball Mic
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jun 30, 2015 14:22:08 GMT -6
I dont play any instruments. I just use Reason 4.0 on my pc, paired with Adobe Audition, Audacity and a Blue Snowball Mic That's so awesome.
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Post by Varg on Jul 1, 2015 10:31:46 GMT -6
I do not agree with you Thomas about bass guitars in Black Metal. It is just as important in Black Metal as in every other kind of music. I believe a well thought bass line is the secret to make a mediocre song good. Not that the bass has to stand out or anything. Just be there to glue it all together.
Which drum kit do you have?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 1, 2015 12:09:17 GMT -6
Oops, forgot about that. I really am a drummer by the way. I have a 7 piece Pearl kit, Zildjian cymbals and a Gibraltar II double kick pedal.
I think we both have a different view on bass guitars. My opinion, the only time the bass stands out as making the riff "good" in black metal, the guitars have really simplified or handicapped themselves to push the bass forward... even then, it doesn't have to be the bass instrument, it can just be another guitar playing low notes / low tuning.
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Post by Varg on Jul 5, 2015 5:01:09 GMT -6
Pearl makes good drums. Cool!
I don't meant that the bass guitars has to stand out. just has to be locked in tight with the drums. and it does not need to play unison with the guitars all the time. depends on the song of course. guitars should definitely not be handicapped for the bass to shine! actually less is more when it comes to bass. for the most time. well lets agree to disagree. no problem
Btw I forgot to say that I use peavey 5150 for guitar amp. really love the peaveys. wild and out of control sort of distortions. with great tone. great for heavy music
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 5, 2015 10:32:42 GMT -6
I haven't used a guitar amp since 2001. LOL My pedal has an amp in it! (just needs an output and that's it)
I'm using a "Digitech Death Metal" pedal. That's really the name of it.
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Post by Varg on Jul 5, 2015 11:36:26 GMT -6
I had that pedal some years ago. it was ok. I used that pedal or a boss metal zone in front of an solid state amp for quite some time. good enough for rehearsals and home recordings. Lot's of (muddy)distortion. But now a days when I'm used to have a big tube amp. I would never go back.
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Post by drawnsword on Jul 5, 2015 17:17:00 GMT -6
I have/used a Ibanaez guitar with double humbuckers with just 4 strings (as i dont play lead), a "death metal" distortion pedal and a Peavey 80 watt tube bass amp. I have a ibanaez bass guitar too, i once had the truss rod dropped to the key of b for a doom band years ago but got it switched it back to d to make reggae bass lines. The cool thing about using a bass amp as it can be adjusted to split your sound to have an underneath bottom end like theres a bass player as well. With all the pacific tweaking on the guitar nobs, 4 pedal settings, and bass amp settings i could get a monstrous nasty tone. I stopped playing when my drummer bro lost his rehearsal place as i find it boring otherwise as i know no theory or any chords, i just played whatever sounds cool to me ha.
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Post by Varg on Jul 6, 2015 7:21:01 GMT -6
Sounds awesome. Never heard about anyone has used bass amp this way for guitars. I know some has used bass guitars on guitar rigs, on recordings to make a "thickener" track. 4 strings that's totally Max Cavalera. Cool!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 6, 2015 11:29:42 GMT -6
I had that pedal some years ago. it was ok. I used that pedal or a boss metal zone in front of an solid state amp for quite some time. good enough for rehearsals and home recordings. Lot's of (muddy)distortion. But now a days when I'm used to have a big tube amp. I would never go back. Precisely why I'd never use anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 13:12:18 GMT -6
I haven't used a guitar amp since 2001. LOL My pedal has an amp in it! (just needs an output and that's it) I'm using a "Digitech Death Metal" pedal. That's really the name of it. Got a Behringer pedal named "Heavy Metal". Really cheap but it kind of allows to create 'that' typical old Swedish death metal guitar sound. Haven't recorded songs with it yet, but it's fun nonetheless.
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Post by Ghoul on Jul 13, 2015 12:41:54 GMT -6
All the pedals mentioned here is good enough for home and demo recordings. For proper recordings it is not good enough. Tube amp is the real deal. With a mic in front. That's how you got a killer guitar sound!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 13, 2015 17:03:41 GMT -6
I disagree. Line-in/out recording sounds with a pedal that has an amp emulator (or line in/out from the amp) sounds soooo much better than to putting a microphone in front of an amp. (Or, mic'ing what's coming out of a speaker)
It would be like dubbing a tape from a CD and you mic the speaker of the separate machine playing the CD. The loss of sound information is monumental.
In my 15 plus years of recording, (at home and in studio) I've done it both ways and I've learned how it doesn't sound "better", it just sounds "different" and Line-In is so much easier for consistent levels for an entire album.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 3:37:00 GMT -6
All the pedals mentioned here is good enough for home and demo recordings. For proper recordings it is not good enough. Let me put it this way: it's good enough for me. I'm really satisfied with the results or with the possibilities in general.
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Post by Ghoul on Jul 14, 2015 7:56:47 GMT -6
I disagree. Line-in/out recording sounds with a pedal that has an amp emulator (or line in/out from the amp) sounds soooo much better than to putting a microphone in front of an amp. (Or, mic'ing what's coming out of a speaker) It would be like dubbing a tape from a CD and you mic the speaker of the separate machine playing the CD. The loss of sound information is monumental. In my 15 plus years of recording, (at home and in studio) I've done it both ways and I've learned how it doesn't sound "better", it just sounds "different" and Line-In is so much easier for consistent levels for an entire album. That's like comparing real drums with a digital drum set. Or worse drum machines.
Yes its easy to get the same sound out of a stomp box or a guitar software every time you use it. And of course it can be recorded at low volume. Practical and easy.
For hi end (and of course necro) sounding guitar tracks it can't compare with a big good old tube amp. Harder to find the right sound. But your tone will be more unique. Since everything affects the sound, the room, different kind of recording equipments, mic's, cabels, hardware and so on. But it has a lot more meat on the tone than cheap(er) stomp boxes.
Luckily we all have different opinions when it comes to music..
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Post by Ghoul on Jul 14, 2015 8:02:13 GMT -6
All the pedals mentioned here is good enough for home and demo recordings. For proper recordings it is not good enough. Let me put it this way: it's good enough for me. I'm really satisfied with the results or with the possibilities in general. Great. Yes there are a lot of possibilities. I use sometimes guitar plugins for recording of ideas and drafts. When I'm too lazy to mic my amp. I was thinking about guitar tone for bigger productions. Albums and more hi end stuff. (Lo Fi sound can be hi end)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 8:57:41 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong, I'm more than just sure that great things can be done with more expensive equipment. If someone invited me to enter some magnific studio to record some music, I wouldn't decline. Then again this won't happen so I get along using the things I can afford (pricewise and spatial) - and especially nowadays one can achieve quite 'good' (in terms of whatever sound you desire) results with simple stuff anyway. But at the end of the day it's all a matter of taste, of course.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 14, 2015 8:59:35 GMT -6
That's like comparing real drums with a digital drum set. Or worse drum machines. If you have good enough software/instrument set, you can make a $500 electronic drum set sound better than a $2000 real drum kit. I wouldn't have believed it myself until I saw (how) my brother completed this.
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Post by Varg on Jul 17, 2015 13:52:26 GMT -6
It might be true. I don't think you will get the same organic feel from a digital/software like you could get from a real drum kit. So I have to go with Ghoul on this one. In my book analog wins over digital, hardware beats software 9 out 10 times.
It all come down to what people like to hear, play and experiment with. And which gear you have available. So nothing is right or wrong.
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Post by tolencual on Aug 27, 2015 22:25:42 GMT -6
My rig is kind of weird, but I'll do my best to go over it: The guitars: Schecter Studio 5 bass guitar - This pretty much stays at the church I go to Schecter Damien 4 bass guitar Ibanez BTB 6-string bass guitar - The first bass I bought with my own money (I'm a bassist by the way, lol) Ibanez Geo 4-string - First bass guitar I've owned. I've ripped the frets out and put thicker strings on it, so I use it for weird recordings Squier strat 6-string guitar - really old, it has baritone strings on it that don't fit. I use it to record Deophobic Necrosis guitars Schecter C-1 Platinum 6-string guitar - Most recently purchased guitar, first actual good guitar I've owned besides the Studio 5. Hartke HyDrive 112c Bass Guitar amp - just used for jamming Line 6 POD X3 - I've had it for over 5 years, and I use that for all guitar recordings, although it causes the sound card in my computer to crap out every now and then so I would have to restart the computer in the middle of recording. Fun times. A crappy Phillips snowball mic I got from Walmart And finally, an Axiom 49-key MIDI controller keyboard, for Hell Bovine recordings Most of this stuff was purchased while in the military, you know, when I had money to spend.
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Post by tolencual on Aug 29, 2015 10:28:36 GMT -6
Oh, and all my recording & drum programming is done in Mixcraft 6. Mixcraft 7 is out now, but I haven't gotten it yet.
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Post by archdukeofmetal on Aug 30, 2015 13:02:40 GMT -6
I've got a Dean Deceiver, Scarlett 2i2 interface, Guitar Rig 5, Reaper/Garageband, Yamaha mx49, and a 30watt Line Six.
and still for the life of me can't find a way to record guitar tone the way I want.
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Post by Ghoul on Aug 30, 2015 14:06:54 GMT -6
you need a tube amplifier !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 20:34:39 GMT -6
In my limited number of years trying to record at home, I've found everything has possibilities and it's place – it just depends on the result you're looking for. I used amp sims (Line 6 PodFarm and Peavey ReValver) on my first recordings (Let There Be Light, Vengeance Is Mine), and mic'd real amps on Seeking Refuge and Days. I've heard some great sounding stuff done both ways, and so I can't say which is better in my opinion. I now Derek Corzine (Blood Thirsty) used Peavey ReValver on his first album, and Bloodline Severed is using Axe FX on their new album. But when Bloodline recorded Letters and our Fear Of Reality EP, Jamie King mic'd our amps AND re-amped them with something else (not sure what) to get a big, thick tone. That's not to say you need lots of expensive gear to get a good sound, though. (With what is "good" being relative to the artist/listener). Burzum's early stuff was recorded with the crappiest stuff they had available in the studio, and it worked for what he wanted to achieve. For me, presently, I prefer low-wattage tube amps so I can push them enough to get that warm, analog tone and not make my ears bleed. This was an issue with my Peavey 6505 on Seeking Refuge – I had to stick it in a closet and record from the next room due to the volume required to get those things to a good level. 120 watts is just too much – in all my years in Bloodline, I never had it past 3! My current rig is a Gibson BFG and Les Paul Studio into either a Blackstar HT-5 or Orange Tiny Terror. Using a Peavey XXX Cab (which I'm not crazy about; looking at a new cab). Only FX I use are an Ibanez Tubescreamer and a TC Electronics Hall of Fame Reverb pedal. This is working for me so far…
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 17, 2015 22:17:35 GMT -6
How horrible is it that I don't know what "pre-amp" and "cab" means? I mean, should I know these things as a musician and having recorded and produced like... 11 full length albums since 2009?
I know it's all about the sound the musician wants, and I'm extremely satisfied with my 2015 (Ankou Awaits / Orationem) sound, as basic as it is... but I never could get into "equipment". ...or equipment talk.
I saw a musician's friend a while back and I just wanted to go run and hide. I don't know the difference between anything in there. There's pages of stuff I don't even know what it is - it looks like it should be under the hood of a car or something.
Wanna know how I picked my guitar? I went in a pawn shop and saw one that looked cool and it was $300. Still love and use it after 4 years. Never owned a bass guitar. How missed is one in my albums?
Wanna know how I picked my drums? It was all about price - big used set for not much money. When I didn't like the way my double kicking sounded, it didn't even cross my mind to buy something different. I just duct taped a couple big washers where the hammers connected with the drum. Sounds awesome now.
Wanna know how I picked out my drum mic? (Yes, I mic my drums with one mic) It was $60 and given good reviews on Amazon. My vocal mic, this $15 one at radio shack sounded good to me. Drums didn't sound to bad through it when I recorded Oberour Ar Maro.
I'm sure my 9 year old recording software is just as shocking, as it's meant more for MIDI than Audio...
That's the cold hard truth gents. I'm a multi-instrumentalist producer who doesn't know squat about what's what in brand names or anything besides using something, thinking it sounds good, buying it, making it work, and then using it until it breaks.
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Post by archdukeofmetal on Oct 11, 2015 18:27:27 GMT -6
My lady got me a Bogner Uberschall pedal for my birthday. Will do my best to try and capture some sounds with it in my free time in the near future.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jan 21, 2016 0:19:23 GMT -6
MR8-MKII (recording) Fender Strat (guitar) Yamaha PSR E233 (keyboards/drum sounds) Korg Kaossilator
I also have a distortion pedal (Behringer, either OD100 or OD300) A wah-wah pedal (Crybaby or something)
I also use Audacity a lot. Yes, as a musical instrument.
I'm not really concerned about what gear I have as long as I can make the music I need to with it.
I also have a harmonica and a kazoo!
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Post by Varg on Feb 8, 2016 14:41:05 GMT -6
Anyone has tested IRig, IRig 2 for guitars? I was wondering if it is worth the money. I want to use it for recording guitar ideas and sketches on my ipad. It has to be easy to use with ok sound quality.
Thoughts?
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