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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 6:16:09 GMT -6
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 12, 2015 21:29:40 GMT -6
I agree! Those blasts!!!!!
This reminds me a little, little bit of Svart Crown but less produced and... better!
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Post by kimmo on Jan 8, 2016 6:48:48 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 7:32:00 GMT -6
I recently spotted these guys on a top 2015 list on youtube. Very good stuff. Too bad for the lyrical content. Plus, if you search for images on youtube, you can clearly get some "nasty" pics of these guys in black and red suites with candles and inverted crosses spread all over the place. Surely not a christian release.
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Post by kimmo on May 3, 2017 6:33:32 GMT -6
Now the lyrical themes -part has changed totally: "Religion, Eastern Orthodox liturgy." Now there are also lyrics to the songs and the first one is roughly translated as follows: "Litany I: The Cleansing 05:45 Hide lyrics The awesome love of Israel, Remembrance of mercy, For our father, Abraham, and his seed. Have mercy on you According to my great mercy, According to the multitude of my bounties, I will cleanse your iniquity. Thou art above thee from thine iniquity, And from your sin I will cleanse (eternally Hallelujah!) You. The awesome love of Israel, Remembrance of mercy I know thy lawlessness, and thy sin Before you, [...], began to reign. And evil deed was done, Yako will be justified in words (Forever Hallelujah!) Mine. (The Israel of his servant) And by victory you judge me from the beginning. (Remembrance in mercy) And by victory you judge me from the beginning. (Yako befits Mene all glory, honor and worship, Now and ever and forever and ever). And by victory you judge me from the beginning. (Yako befits Mene all glory, honor and worship, Now and ever and forever and ever). Amen! Bless your soul, Me, my Lord (Behold, truth is loved), You praised (unknown and secret) Me, Lord (Wisdom). (I am manifest to you). (Bebo, in lawlessness I am conceived, And in sins, give birth to your mother)." Of course they are probably using orthodox christianity as an aesthetical value and for that alone, but then again there was an interview by them, where some member said that they try to go to church as often as they can and that they get inspired by that. All this mixed with the upside down crosses on their cloaks makes this band quite interesting indeed Definately not your run-in-the-mill "evil" black metal.
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Post by Bartimaeus on May 3, 2017 10:11:24 GMT -6
I did a cursory run through of the lyrics in Google Translate (obvs not as good as having an actual native speaker explain them, but...) and I didn't see anything terribly offensive. In fact, I saw some very "orthodox" theology. This doesn't square with some of the pictures, but I've seen some upside down crosses on several "Christian" releases, too. Maranatha's Incarnate EP comes to mind and they are clearly a Christian band. If anyone can shed some light on that phenomenon, I'd be much obliged.
I'm far more interested in this band now that I've read the translated lyrics.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on May 3, 2017 10:29:59 GMT -6
About the lyrics, someone from Russia commented on a Metal Archives report. And if what they're saying is true, Batushka are not Christian:
As for the music ... it doesn't sound bad, for sure, but if I wanted to hear black metal with choir samples, I'd just listen to Grim - Vespers, which I think does it a lot better. I think the difference is that this album is flashier, while Grim's "Vespers" looks inward a little more - creating an atmosphere that better reflects the message, rather than just the outward aesthetics as Batushka seem to do.
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Post by kimmo on May 3, 2017 10:54:12 GMT -6
Personally I never thought they were christians but they seem to enjoy the aesthetics of russian orthodox church. Based on the two interviews I have read and the lyrics samples I think that if they have intended this to be blasphemous, they are not doing a very good job at representing it as such Apart from the obvious upside down crosses and their general meaning in the metal scene, that is.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 13:49:21 GMT -6
This doesn't square with some of the pictures, but I've seen some upside down crosses on several "Christian" releases, too. Maranatha's Incarnate EP comes to mind and they are clearly a Christian band. If anyone can shed some light on that phenomenon, I'd be much obliged. I know that the symbol can be associated with St. Peter and not just anti-Christianity, but these days it seems to represent the latter more, so I also don't understand why Christian bands do this.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 14:58:48 GMT -6
On the 25th they will play very close to my hometown. I will check them out and hopefully find out why there's such a hype around them.
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Post by kimmo on May 4, 2017 4:15:37 GMT -6
This doesn't square with some of the pictures, but I've seen some upside down crosses on several "Christian" releases, too. Maranatha's Incarnate EP comes to mind and they are clearly a Christian band. If anyone can shed some light on that phenomenon, I'd be much obliged. I know that the symbol can be associated with St. Peter and not just anti-Christianity, but these days it seems to represent the latter more, so I also don't understand why Christian bands do this. As for Maranatha, Colin from the band explained their choice to use this symbol when he was interviewed by Bill Power at Urban Achiever podcast. To him and the band, it is a referance to the certain use of US flag. Apparently, there is a rule, that the flag of United States should not be displayed upside down, unless it is done as a sign of distress (Like if your platoon is on a hill and you can use it as a sort of SOS). And as they see the cross as our symbol, he felt that it was fitting way to show how they feel about the state of american christianity. To me, it makes a lot more sense to use it this way, instead of just trying to be edgy or something, but I as CrimsonWarrior said, it has a very solidified meaning in the metal community so the use of it can send a wrong message. Still, I think that in this particular context, with the band's message and all, it does fit with the whole thing quite well.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on May 4, 2017 8:16:15 GMT -6
I've seen some upside down crosses on several "Christian" releases, too. Maranatha's Incarnate EP comes to mind and they are clearly a Christian band. If anyone can shed some light on that phenomenon, I'd be much obliged. For one, its done as secular bait. If non-Christians are scouting new music and a band's cover catches their eye (that just happens to have inverted crosses on it) then they're more apt to listen to it (or at least investigate it) vs bands that have proper crosses and other holy symbols. For two, I think people coin their own symbolism. During the GRIM days, there was a Christian death/black metal band that had, on their geocities home page, a picture of a disemboweled Christ on the cross, turned upside down. When I asked them why have that as a Christian band - they stated that "it was the false Christ", "death to the false Christ" or something like that. Christian bands could have upside down crosses and say they're referencing Paul, who was crucified upside down... or like the above example, Christianity in distress, but ....the layman still associates an upside down cross with evil. My take on it - regardless of how strange it is - I think a symbol sometimes is just art. If someone wants to have a personal meaning to a baphomet or an upside down cross, I'm cool with that. ...but I wouldn't do that myself, considering all the questions/feedback required to explain a personal meaning to something already stigmatized to something else.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 14:42:20 GMT -6
I had the pleasure to see and listen to Batushka on Tuesday when they played a show near to my hometown. There is quite a hype around them here in Germany (or even Europe, I would say) so that I was excited to see what it is all about. From a musical standpoint there was nothing very spectacular; of course, the gregoric chants together with the black robes created a nice atmosphere, but all in all I wasn't that thrilled. I mean, when your creativity doesn't go further than inverting something already existing, then I find it quite hard to become overly enthusiastic. On the other hand: they have got one album, but something like 83 different shirt designs. So, some sort of creativity must be there, haha :-)
I have made a four minute something video which gives a very good impression, but I don't know if I can upload a 48MB file here :-(
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Post by Borndead on May 14, 2019 19:10:59 GMT -6
A new song.. I do like them, they are not christian for sure..but I do like the atmosphere in the music.
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Post by julienbakerfan on May 19, 2019 21:03:52 GMT -6
I think I read somewhere that they just take Scriptures or liturgical texts and replace "God" with "I." I guess the effect is supposed to be blasphemous, but it seems more silly than anything. It's possible that the Eastern Orthodox aesthetic is intentionally blasphemous (Rotting Christ has done much the same thing AFAIK) or it may just be an aesthetic. I'm pretty sure Batushka's not a Christian band, though. Just because someone uses Christian imagery for artistic purposes doesn't mean anything--a lot of times it's just there to make the project seem cool.
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Post by Borndead on May 20, 2019 8:29:34 GMT -6
yeah, I´ve read this as well it's just there to make the project seem cool +1
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on May 20, 2019 9:02:22 GMT -6
They have a shirt design where the Great Schema is inverted, and the skull / "death" is clearly given prominence over the cross. While I'm not Orthodox, the message there is clear. It's not like a normal inverted cross, where the symbol still has Christian meaning (the humility of the apostle/saint Peter.)
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Post by julienbakerfan on May 27, 2019 8:32:17 GMT -6
Their shirt designs are pretty cool--not specifically what's on the shirt, but just the general art style.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Jul 23, 2019 20:27:39 GMT -6
Update: I emailed Batushka (well, one of the Batushkas/Batushkae) and asked about their lyrics and themes. No feedback so far, but they're probably busy guys, what with having the biggest feud in metal right now and all that.
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