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Post by avjr on Sept 15, 2020 20:58:54 GMT -6
Man why does everything in the world need its own Discord server? Comradery I guess.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 16, 2020 11:24:35 GMT -6
Man why does everything in the world need its own Discord server? The same reason everything in the world "needs" its own Facebook, Instagram and/or Twitter. So people that use it, can have official access to their interests they wouldn't normally have, and people that don't use it, can miss every opportunity that would come with it.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 21, 2020 16:50:21 GMT -6
RIP all the Christian Metal Discords I was on. One became so ingrained with weebs and furries, it was rendered practically unrecognizable as being even about Christian Metal. Since the vast majority of anime makes me cringe, I could not stand to be there longer. One shifted to this "We're just about Christian Metal, not "Christianity"." narrative, and when I had a hard time decyphering posts because of a mod's excessive use of profanity, I left on that last straw. One was started by some rather young fellows, that did absolutely nothing to nurture the community. After 3 months of no one saying anything ever, I didn't see a point in hanging around what was in social effect, an empty lot. nocturnaliridescence, I suspect that your view on Discord is very similar to my view on Facebook. There's been a few times where I had an opportunity to communicate, but Facebook was a requirement. "I guess I won't be talking to this person then." was about all the farther I got, unfortunately I guess. LOL
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 21, 2020 19:58:57 GMT -6
I have a personal Discord (and thanks to this computer I'm using now, I can finally actually use it), I just try to keep it separate from my music stuff.
Even if I didn't though, I belong to enough servers.
If I joined one for every band I liked, I'd reach my maximum limit (I think it's 100?) in no time
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 22, 2020 8:37:19 GMT -6
I have a personal Discord (and thanks to this computer I'm using now, I can finally actually use it), I just try to keep it separate from my music stuff. I still have one server that I've been on since November 2016. Maybe I should just stick to games. Seems like if I try to attend servers that are based on faith, or based on music, or both, there's too much.... uh.... heartache. (can't think of a better word than that right now) At one point, I deleted Discord off my phone because I was a bit done with it in general, but then I realized, I used it fairly often for something that's not a social aspect at all. (transferring files less than 8Mb in size from phone to computer, or from computer to phone, without having to get a USB cable involved)
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Post by julienbakerfan on Sept 22, 2020 20:50:01 GMT -6
Seems like if I try to attend servers that are based on faith, or based on music, or both, there's too much.... uh.... heartache. (can't think of a better word than that right now) It amazes me how toxic online music discussions become. Seriously, guys, it's just entertainment. One became so ingrained with weebs and furries, it was rendered practically unrecognizable as being even about Christian Metal. Since the vast majority of anime makes me cringe, I could not stand to be there longer. I think I'm still technically a member of that one, but I almost never use Discord unless I have a specific question. I though the anime thing was weird too. They also had weird beefs with different people. I'm too old to deal with Christian metal scene drama. One shifted to this "We're just about Christian Metal, not "Christianity"." Wait, wh when I had a hard time decyphering posts because of a mod's excessive use of profanity, I left on that last straw. "Bro, I'm a Christian and I curse, look how edgy I am!"
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 23, 2020 13:42:42 GMT -6
I'm too old to deal with Christian metal scene drama. I wish I was. At age 40, all it takes is 1 topic presented a certain way, and I turn into a baiting, trolling, wall-o-text tryhard guy. For me at least, its an issue more with self control than it is with age I think. "Bro, I'm a Christian and I curse, look how edgy I am!" I don't want to judge anyone, but perhaps it grew to be about Christian metal, instead of Christianity, because dudes don't actually share our faith/standards, but they still like the bands and want a hang out for it. I don't know. I'm guessing. I'm normally not offended by profanity, I mean, I swear and cuss sometimes too. ...but something just didn't sit right for me, seeing the server with "Christian" in the name, and then dudes have an PPM (profanity per minute) that would make sailors jealous.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 23, 2020 18:33:44 GMT -6
I curse a lot. For me it's just... a matter of controlling my emotions, haha!
There's definitely a point where it's "too much", but it seems to depend more on the state of an individual's heart and relationship with Christ, rather than some specific word count.
Someone who only curses once a day, but doesn't care about it at all, is swearing too much. Someone who does nothing but curse, but struggles against it alongside God, is not swearing too much.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Sept 23, 2020 19:54:16 GMT -6
I'm normally not offended by profanity, I have fairly lax personal standards when it comes to profanity, but I generally try to avoid cursing, especially because of how much it offends Christian brothers/sisters. I think there might be some parallel to the "meat offered to idols" that Paul talks about in Corinthians (?). Plus it just comes across as edgelord behavior a lot of the time. My ex-girlfriend was from Brazil. Occasionally she would drop an f-bomb, even though she didn't seem like the kind of person who would use that language at all. I think there was some sort of cultural difference whereby English curse words weren't considered as offensive in Brazil--I have a hard time imagining her using similar language in Portuguese.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Sept 23, 2020 19:59:35 GMT -6
Has anyone else had problems with ordering stuff from Bandcamp and it not arriving?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 26, 2020 9:40:36 GMT -6
I have fairly lax personal standards when it comes to profanity, but I generally try to avoid cursing, especially because of how much it offends Christian brothers/sisters. I think there might be some parallel to the "meat offered to idols" that Paul talks about in Corinthians (?). Plus it just comes across as edgelord behavior a lot of the time. My ex-girlfriend was from Brazil. Occasionally she would drop an f-bomb, even though she didn't seem like the kind of person who would use that language at all. I think there was some sort of cultural difference whereby English curse words weren't considered as offensive in Brazil--I have a hard time imagining her using similar language in Portuguese. I know different countries/cultures have different verbiage/standards when it comes to profanity. I honestly can't fault someone for not knowing, or not being used to interacting with something different. The edgelord thing is kind of annoying, but I think more than anything, I'd be just as annoyed by them using other "filler" words than it being profanity or not. "What the cheese? How the cheese and I'm supposed to get this cheesing cheesefest to cheese like it should?" Sure, that sentence may sound mildly entertaining, but to be around someone for a week who has a CPM (cheese per minute) of 7... Yeah, I'm either going to be asking them to not use those words anymore, or I'll be just removing myself from the annoyance.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 26, 2020 12:15:55 GMT -6
My ex-girlfriend was from Brazil. Occasionally she would drop an f-bomb, even though she didn't seem like the kind of person who would use that language at all. I think there was some sort of cultural difference whereby English curse words weren't considered as offensive in Brazil There's a Christian grindcore band from Brazil called "Fuck the Devil".
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Post by julienbakerfan on Sept 26, 2020 21:02:09 GMT -6
There's a Christian grindcore band from Brazil called "Fuck the Devil". Mom: You can only listen to Christian music. Me: OK. I'm going to go listen to "Fuck the Devil." Mom:...
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 28, 2020 8:27:17 GMT -6
Mom: You can only listen to Christian music. Me: OK. I'm going to go listen to "Fuck the Devil." Mom:... The encounter on Reddit I mentioned on another thread, dude remarked "My view is that there are no secular bands." and then he went on talking about the Christian message in Slayer songs. I guess his encounter would go something like this, Dude's Mom: You can only listen to Christian music. Dude: OK. I'm going to go listen to my favorite Christian band, Slayer Dude's Mom:...
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 28, 2020 9:02:05 GMT -6
"My view is that there are no secular bands." Pagan souls raise your torches high The holy shall burn Their bones shall build palaces The paragon of sin And delight the coven We shall arise... Under the throne of the northern darkness With my art and knowledge I am God's triumphator I am antichrist PRAISE JESUS!!!
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Post by avjr on Sept 29, 2020 21:30:39 GMT -6
Did anyone watch the presidential debate? Anyone thought it was funny? lol
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 30, 2020 11:43:06 GMT -6
Chris Wallace: *asks Biden about ending the filibuster and packing the Supreme court* Biden: Whatever position I take on that will... Trump: Biden: *starts talking about voting for some reason* Trump: Are you going to pack the court? Biden: *keeps talking about voting for some reason* Trump: Are you going to pack the court? Biden: *keeps talking about something* Trump: He's not going to answer the question. Biden: I'm NOT going to answer the question. Trump: *starts ranting about the radical left* Biden: "Will you shut up, man."
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Post by avjr on Sept 30, 2020 16:09:02 GMT -6
It is hilarious to see two old man acting like high school boys trash talking to each other! xD
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 1, 2020 10:56:03 GMT -6
It is hilarious to see two old man acting like high school boys trash talking to each other! xD Its hilarious to me to see all the liberal media pundits decry that there shouldn't be another debate. I use the word hilarious because, anyone who thinks Biden actually won this debate, would not be advocating to "cancel" the other already scheduled debates for him to also win. This debate was ok for 20 minutes, and then it turned into a dumpster fire. I think Trump's excessive interruptions was actually, a pretty solid strategy albeit super annoying. Not to get Biden to generate gaffs (though there were a few - 20, uh 200 million, uh 200 thousand people dying from COVID) but with the interruptions, Biden lost track of his thoughts, and he'd only get a portion of his answer out before he'd start rolling around in the mud with Trump instead. The fact that Wallace didn't enforce Biden to actually answer some questions (that fillibuster/courtpacking question wasn't the only one), it only made it seem like Joe either doesn't really have that much of a plan, or he doesn't know said plan well enough to actually articulate it through someone trying to talk over him. I'm sure I'm not the only one that saw that all it would take is a world leader to talk over Biden in negotiations, for them to spin him around into something he couldn't answer, or find his way back from.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 13, 2020 10:19:51 GMT -6
The last few days, I've had this rather frustrating/interesting/exhausting debate/discussion/slogfest with an atheist on Reddit. Not about faith of all things, but about "systemic racism". He was not a troll, so I've got to give him credit for being decent. Couldn't say the same for myself, which is perhaps unfortunate. (I never resort to name calling, but I do consider myself "trolling" to a degree, as he didn't punch holes in my approach, but I punched holes in his.) Our common ground is that racism is bad and shouldn't happen anywhere, anytime. We also both agreed, the pretty obvious stuff in society has been addressed, or at least gets addressed quick. This all started with me saying I've never seen a proper example of systemic racism. Then he started with a link to a Harvard study. My follow up was akin to "where's the rest of it?". His follow up was akin to "what do you mean 'where is the rest of it?'? Its a complete study." So after too many hours of mauling words, I've more or less only concluded that when people say "Systemic racism", its not really "throughout the system" like the definition indicates, its just "widely spread" in a system. ("pervasive", not "all") When I asked for him to define/quantify "pervasive" or "widely spread", he.... couldn't. I tried using hypotheticals of "systemic air pollution" and "systemic bee stings", trying to get him to pinpoint a standard of cases in an area for the systemic racism classification. I mean, 300 cases or 5 cases could both be "widely spread" in an area. Again, he couldn't quantify it, which I pointed out, made it seem like this was all classified by "feeling" (or assumption) rather than "fact". The closest we were able to meet, is in an analogy of putting a jigsaw puzzle together. He saw me as someone missing pieces of the puzzle, but still not knowing what the puzzle was supposed to be of, even though there was really enough there to tell. I saw him as someone missing pieces of the puzzle, but assuming he knows the shape of the pieces missing, and where they go, even though they're really not there at all. He also brought up something else that he couldn't properly explain - subconscious racism. People (even a group) being racist, without knowing they're racist. I tried to get him to define the difference between "no racism" in an area, and "subconscious undetected racism" in an area. I mean, if its undetectable, how do you know its there? He couldn't do much more than drool on himself and refer me back to the Harvard link. The whole experience reminded me of the time I was in this atheist hive, years ago, trying to learn what makes those folks tick. They coined their own custom definitions, of existing definitions. Like, they denounced Atheism being a "belief", but the word belief is a synonym of the word "opinion". I felt like a bully cornering them, "Is atheism an opinion?" and they just repeat ala canned response again, "its not a belief". When I referenced the correlation between belief/opinion, they just dismantled the credibility of dictionaries. Well, all bets are off if any word can mean anything.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Oct 14, 2020 19:19:11 GMT -6
I think the best way of thinking about systemic racism--the concept, not whether it exists or not--would be like this:
Imagine you're a person who can't walk and has to use a wheelchair living in a society that makes no accommodations for this disability. You have no disability payments for the governments. No workplace has to hire you. You can't even get into any buildings, because they all have stairs instead of ramps. Even though everyone is nice to you and isn't a jerk, the system itself is biased against you. Thus, the system would be...systemically ableist.
Not a perfect example, but I think that's a good analogy. It's at least conceptually possible for there to be social structures where people of a certain race or ethnicity are at a disadvantage, even if no one person in the structure is a jerk. Another analogy would be workplace culture--no one person has a complete influence over workplace culture, but it kind of emerges from everyone's interactions.
This isn't to say that a lot of people get completely muddled when talking about "systemic racism." This is about all anyone talked about at my college when I was in undergrad...suffice it to say that I wasn't terribly impressed with what most people were saying.
Also, I'm chuckling at the atheists freaking out over the word belief. A belief is, well, something you believe. In philosophy, we generally define knowledge as justified true belief...plus some other stuff so that we can get around some weird paradoxes. Whether or not atheism is true, or justified, or well-founded, or whatever, it's still a belief.
But I guess this is one of those village atheist tricks to make atheism look smarter than theism without really trying--kind of how the political alignment chart tilts everything in favor of libertarianism.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 16, 2020 11:12:46 GMT -6
Not a perfect example, but I think that's a good analogy. That is a good analogy. The Harvard study he referenced had to do with multi-racial applicants applying for jobs, and (for instance) "Dave" or "Sara" were more likely to get more calls to come in for interviews, than say "Jamal" or "Laquanda". This study covered a variety of businesses, business types, and controlled in that the submissions had similar credentials. Well, its certainly wrong to dismiss an application/resume because of someone's name. That seems racist to me, of course. The study didn't mention, and he couldn't answer (apart from admitting there were "gaps"), variables to the causation, with the correlation, which makes the classification "seem", rather than "actually being measured". One example being, Jamal uses Verizon and Steve uses AT&T and there was a Verizon outage at the time of the attempted call. Or that both Steve and Jamal each getting 30 calls for 100 applications, but Jamal getting 35 to Steves 30 is "the way it should be" and Jamal getting 25 to Steve's 30 is "racist". Or if Laquanda Williams and Misty River submit 100 similar applications/resumes, and Laquanda getting 30 calls to Misty's 25 is "Native American racism", and Misty getting 30 calls to Laquanda's 25 is "African American Racism". (aka "inevitable racism") Or that for the people hiring, Steve was more likely to hire someone named Dave than someone named Jamal, and Jamal was more likely to hire someone name Laquanda than someone named Steve. Again I want to state, of course there is racism, "widely spread" around the US/world. Of course racism is something everyone should be against, and for Christians especially, there's biblical precedent for that. I just don't take kindly to folks like these, insinuating I have subconscious incurable racism just because of the color of my skin (which apparently white isn't a race); or that no one can seem to articulate the difference between groups of racist people doing racists things, and this intangible and sentient "system" (or just the whites in said system) casting a net of subconscious racism on absolutely every minority in said system. Also, I'm chuckling at the atheists freaking out over the word belief. A belief is, well, something you believe. In philosophy, we generally define knowledge as justified true belief...plus some other stuff so that we can get around some weird paradoxes. Whether or not atheism is true, or justified, or well-founded, or whatever, it's still a belief. But I guess this is one of those village atheist tricks to make atheism look smarter than theism without really trying--kind of how the political alignment chart tilts everything in favor of libertarianism. LOL, I agree. What I remember, a few tried to explain that religion/theism is a "belief system" while atheism could maybe/kinda/sorta be a single solitary "belief" in a "auxiliary dictionary definition only 'I guess' kind of way". Surely there's a network of ideas involved with denying the existence of God, especially with how tryhard many online atheists are. Surely there are people who believe God exists, without having any sort of clue about much else in Christianity at all. (just the single solitary opinion that God exists) No, no, and no pretty much from them. My experience with these types of discussions, after so many days and so many pages and pages of dialog, it seems similar to me to someone picking up apples without a bucket or a way to carry them other than by hand. Every good apple is picked up at first, then the good apples are swapped for the great apples, then its arms full of great apples and kicking a few choices apples because there's not room to carry them, then just start throwing some apples because I'm tired of carrying too many apples.
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Post by avjr on Oct 25, 2020 14:59:51 GMT -6
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Post by julienbakerfan on Oct 28, 2020 21:23:35 GMT -6
The horror game I'm playing: "Let's scare the player by adding in some creepy music." I, who listen to the harshest of black metal and experimental music: "You have no power here!"
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Post by avjr on Oct 31, 2020 6:54:44 GMT -6
Happy Reformation Day!
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Post by avjr on Nov 8, 2020 14:34:06 GMT -6
It is so cool that this dude was playing one of my favorite band's music!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 9, 2020 14:30:46 GMT -6
"Remember, remember, the SIXTH of November, the voter fraud treason and plot." I find this as disturbing if its true, as if its not true. I'm just going to leave this here... www.joecheated.com/
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Post by julienbakerfan on Nov 9, 2020 22:42:19 GMT -6
I think Rusty McGuinn over at Epsilon Theory nailed it: " I think occasional fraud is a near certainty in every election, that mail-in ballots at a vastly larger scale than historical levels almost certainly increases that risk by some degree, that electoral fraud at the scale being asserted is hilariously difficult to achieve and would be nearly certain to leave obvious evidence, and that nothing remotely approaching the evidence necessary to make the kinds of declarations made in that speech has yet been produced." In other news: I'm approaching 600 gigs of music on my hard drive and realizing that I probably need to slow it down. To put things in perspective, about half of that is live shows, a lot of which are in .flac rather than .mp3, which drives up storage space. About 100 gigs of that consists of just about every recorded Black Sabbath show from 1969-1983, with another 40 or so gigs of Led Zeppelin concerts. 57 gigs of metal: 13 gigs of black metal and 13 gigs in the "Heavy/Stoner/Doom/Thrash" folder. 64 gigs in "Punk-PopPunk-Emo-Scene," which encompasses a lot of music. Within that folder I have 20 gigs of emo and 12 gigs of compilation albums. 32 gigs in "Alternative and Indie." I'm trying to cull my Bandcamp wishlist down to 100-150 items (Dunbar's number). The Slaves Eye EP has made the cut for now. I've also realized that nocturnaliridescence is probably the only person I know who can name more metal bands off the top of his head than I can. I need to get out of the house more.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 10, 2020 11:53:32 GMT -6
I've also realized that nocturnaliridescence is probably the only person I know who can name more metal bands off the top of his head than I can. Should we ever meet in person, that would be an interesting challenge! Although I know you listen to a lot of indie and alternative stuff. I listen to a ton of non-metal stuff, but I still wonder if your knowledge of bands/artists overall would exceed mine?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 10, 2020 14:22:08 GMT -6
I think Rusty McGuinn over at Epsilon Theory nailed it: " I think occasional fraud is a near certainty in every election, that mail-in ballots at a vastly larger scale than historical levels almost certainly increases that risk by some degree, that electoral fraud at the scale being asserted is hilariously difficult to achieve and would be nearly certain to leave obvious evidence, and that nothing remotely approaching the evidence necessary to make the kinds of declarations made in that speech has yet been produced." I had this "joecheated" link shared with me, by a family member deep in the weeds on this. ...and I've "shared" it a handful of places myself, and its interesting to me how the responses to just this site, have never hit middle ground. Its either "this IS 'obvious evidence', not just allegation. Bookmark this site.", or its "this IS a joke site. They're wasting their time. Nothing to see here at all." My own two cents. This isn't about if dumb or dumber is the winner. Its about the integrity of our voting processes THIS YEAR. I would certainly hope that one clever quip from one pundit from one website wouldn't be enough for someone to completely dismiss the alarming amount of EVIDENCE (not just allegations) that have been slowly coming out regarding this (for lack of better words) "mass scale voter fraud scheme". Then again, this sort of thing seems to be all but completely set in everyone's minds already, confirmation bias wise. In other news: I'm approaching 600 gigs of music on my hard drive and realizing that I probably need to slow it down. I've also realized that nocturnaliridescence is probably the only person I know who can name more metal bands off the top of his head than I can. I need to get out of the house more. I can't wrap my head around how both of you can so easily recall bands, genres, etc. Its talent, for sure. I swear, the further I get from chemotherapy, the more I have people bring up "Chemo brain" - which I'd be a fool not to acknowledge memory issues I've had since cancer. Here I thought I was able to stay on top of the dozen or so bands I like/follow, but I just found a release yesterday I missed. Missed by a year or so. Better late than never I guess. -___________-
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