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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 30, 2017 15:43:59 GMT -6
Well I've listened to this 1 track alone way WAY too many times in the past few days. This album, hands down, the BEST black metal of 2017. This song? I'm not sure if I've ever heard ANYTHING this good. A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G The crescendos... UNBELIEVABLE. Stay with it. My reactions as they happened in chronological order, to my first listen. [orly] [headbang] [meteor] [???] [vampire] [mr1] [evillaugh] Now each listen after, continually magnifying. [boo] [roar] [eye] [roar] [boo] [boo] [boo] [boo] Feel free to share your own "that song" moments, but mind out what thread you're in. Lets keep it BLACK here gents. Save the hybrids and other metals for another thread please...
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Post by exo on Aug 30, 2017 18:09:00 GMT -6
That's RRALLY sweet!
I don't know that I can recall a blackmetal SONG that elicited that strong of a reaction from me. I tend to consume in "album" form.
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Post by kimmo on Aug 31, 2017 4:21:59 GMT -6
Pretty good! I especially like the drum sound, it stands out. Also, there is a kind of punk wibe at times and thats awesome. I kinda dismissed this band since I thought they were just another post-black band although I did find them good, even in the first round. Have to listen more!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 31, 2017 7:49:51 GMT -6
The entire album is amazing. ...and a bit shocking that the track I posted, is one of the SLOWER PACED ones.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 31, 2017 7:54:52 GMT -6
I don't know that I can recall a blackmetal SONG that elicited that strong of a reaction from me. Excluding Orationem and my own whorish enjoyment of my own music, the last Christian black metal SONG that I treated the same way.... Antestor - Kongsblod In my book Return of the Black Death >>>>>>>>>>> any other Antestor, Crimson Moonlight, Horde, Kekel... Big league, as Trump would say. XD
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Post by exo on Aug 31, 2017 8:38:46 GMT -6
Shocking statement of the day (week? Month? YEAR?!): I have never heard so much as a single, solitary track from Antestor. Not in 218 years I have been marginally "plugged in" to the Christian Wtal Scene. Or Horde, either, for that matter. Or Elgibbor. I've listened to more Orationem than those other three, and I only own 1 CD ( and i' pretty sure my 5 year old got ahold of it before I could rip it to my computer, too.....)
I suppose I am much much more a Christian metal fan than I am a fan of Christian Metal.......
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Aug 31, 2017 8:50:17 GMT -6
I have never heard so much as a single, solitary track from Antestor. Not in 218 years I have been marginally "plugged in" to the Christian Wtal Scene. Or Horde, either, for that matter. Or Elgibbor. I've listened to more Orationem than those other three, and I only own 1 CD ( and i' pretty sure my 5 year old got ahold of it before I could rip it to my computer, too.....) I suppose I am much much more a Christian metal fan than I am a fan of Christian Metal....... Oh, that's kind of a shame actually. Not the biggest fan of Antestor but they have some seriously good stuff, you should check them out. Same with Horde and Elgibbor. Along with other bands you didn't mention, but anyway. There's a lot of great stuff in the Christian metal scene if you're willing to dig a little. No different than the secular scene, really - both are full of copycats (etc) it's just our scene is smaller so you have to dig a little further.
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Post by kimmo on Aug 31, 2017 8:58:47 GMT -6
I don't know that I can recall a blackmetal SONG that elicited that strong of a reaction from me. Excluding Orationem and my own whorish enjoyment of my own music, the last Christian black metal SONG that I treated the same way.... Antestor - Kongsblod In my book Return of the Black Death >>>>>>>>>>> any other Antestor, Crimson Moonlight, Horde, Kekel... Big league, as Trump would say. XD Pretty much the same thing with me. Horde is pretty much on the same level for me as ROTBD. I love the sound in the Horde record and I think it really rivals with the secular bands of that time who were doing the similar thing (sonically, at least).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 9:04:36 GMT -6
exo: For Antestor, I really recommend their newest album Omen. It's solid, somewhat melodic black metal. If death/doom interests you, Martyrium is a great album too.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 31, 2017 13:35:51 GMT -6
I suppose I am much much more a Christian metal fan than I am a fan of Christian Metal....... This is me. I'm 100% right there with you bro. ...and like you, I've heard more Orationem than anything else. [rofl] I've heard a few Elgibbor tracks. I'm a fan of raw and lofi, but... some of the riffs just don't grab me, and I definitely have music ADHD so off to something else I go a listening. Antestor? Meh - its hybridizing death metal before and after ROTBD. (Sorry to disagree with you @crimsonwarrior ) Horde is pretty cool, love the vocals and drums.... the guitars? Meh. One dimensional mehfest kind of. I love the Christian black metal concept. I love the "patrons". (that would be you guys) The bands? Mediocre, at best "good". The acceptance and reception of Christian black metal from THE REST OF CHRISTIAN METAL? Blows more than a 100 year old taking a hair dryer to a birthday cake. I love the sound in the Horde record and I think it really rivals with the secular bands of that time who were doing the similar thing (sonically, at least). Sonically, absolutely. I agree. I've listened to more Orationem than those other three, and I only own 1 CD ( and i' pretty sure my 5 year old got ahold of it before I could rip it to my computer, too.....) [rofl] I can shoot you some 320kbs MP3s or find a disc to send your way if you want. Let me know. (Can you tell I work in customer service? Take CARE of the CUSTOMER! LOL )
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 31, 2017 13:39:42 GMT -6
Oh, that's kind of a shame actually. Not the biggest fan of Antestor but they have some seriously good stuff, you should check them out. Same with Horde and Elgibbor. Sorry, I hate to speak FOR someone else, but.... Exo and I listen to a lot of secular black metal. Its really hard to enjoy the local fair the same way after a 3 day party blast at Disneyworld. If the local fair is the only thing I've ever attended, well hell yes its "highly recommended and enjoyable". ...if you guys catch my parallel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 13:47:17 GMT -6
Antestor? Meh - its death metal before and after ROTBD. (Sorry to disagree with you CrimsonWarrior ) I don't really understand how The Forsaken or Omen are death metal albums...black/death maybe, but undeniably black I would say.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 31, 2017 13:51:58 GMT -6
That first video link is broken, but I've heard both albums. I hate to come across like a purist here, but my entire reasoning and logic... black/death maybe, but undeniably black I would say. Anything that is "maybe" black/death CANNOT be "undeniably" black.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 14:11:59 GMT -6
Looks like the uploader disabled video embedding for some reason.
When I say "undeniably black" I mean it's at least partially black metal. Declaring it to be straight up death metal is as false as declaring it to be pure black metal.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 31, 2017 14:20:10 GMT -6
While "straight up death metal", which I didn't say, could be perceived differently as "death metal", which I did say, I see your point. I edited my post, for accuracy... and you are correct.
As far as "at least partially black metal" - well of course. Its all over the place in newer Antestor releases. ....but again, hybridized black metal, IS different than black metal. Its a fact.
For someone like me, black/death is 2 clicks above death. ....and 2 clicks below black. Not just in terms of preference (I love hybrids), but in proper classification.
...and yes, its discouraging (to me) that the premier face of Christian "black metal" is in fact "a hybrid of extreme metals".
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Post by exo on Aug 31, 2017 18:20:30 GMT -6
I'm a little more discouraged that the "best" albums in the scene are nearing 20 years old. That's a stagnant "scene", if I've ever heard of one, though I'm not sure why it seems to have gone that way. I know that a LOT of the "old guard" (not "bands" so much as the people and communities that used be active and engaged) on the "extreme" side of the Christian Metal equation seem to have simply fallen by the wayside, and the "scene" itself doesn't feel NEARLY as vibrant. Not a complaint, so much as an observation. Maybe "nostalgia" talking?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 19:50:01 GMT -6
Imo, VoW's Days Without Names is better than some of the old classics (including Hellig Usvart and anything by Antestor). I think the scene is just smaller than it used to be.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Aug 31, 2017 21:16:55 GMT -6
Its really hard to enjoy the local fair the same way after a 3 day party blast at Disneyworld. If the local fair is the only thing I've ever attended, well hell yes its "highly recommended and enjoyable". ...if you guys catch my parallel. I get the comparison, it's just incorrect. I listened almost exclusively to secular black from 2007-2014 before I joined this scene. I'm a little more discouraged that the "best" albums in the scene are nearing 20 years old. Dying Blaze - Attera Obscurum Wintersoul - Frozen Storm Apocalypse
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 1, 2017 8:44:54 GMT -6
Dying Blaze - Attera Obscurum Wintersoul - Frozen Storm Apocalypse Black metal bro? How about BLACK METAL? For me myself, this is what I want. Not more hybrids.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 1, 2017 9:18:15 GMT -6
I'm a little more discouraged that the "best" albums in the scene are nearing 20 years old. That's a stagnant "scene", if I've ever heard of one, though I'm not sure why it seems to have gone that way. There's some really good death/black projects from 6-7 years ago though. Hazeroth - Charms of Sin, even thought I really REALLY like it, I gotta agree with this classification... Am I the only one seeing this pattern here? Blood Covenant, another great band.... but what I've heard is Symphonic Death Metal, touches of black. There was ONE band, mentioned once in ONE thread here that I really REALLY liked - started the album, didn't stop until I listened to the whole thing. ...I remember it sounding quite black, but I'm not 100% on that. The name started with an "A" I think, kind of a long name. Had a reddish cover. It was a band you mentioned nocturnaliridescence. (actually bro, if it wasn't for you mentioning bands on this forum, if people asked me to name some Christian black metal that's NOT ORATIONEM, I'd say 1 Horde album, 1 Antestor album, uh.... 1 Kekal album?)
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Post by barabbas on Sept 1, 2017 10:53:43 GMT -6
Well, I guess I disagree with your assessment, Thomas. There's not much more to say, since the terms of the debate are based on opinions. I personally wouldn't rely on the internet to give me the correct genre labels. I certainly have a hard time thinking of Dying Blaze or Wintersoul as death/black hybrids (regardless of the label given).
Back to the original post: I have the Der Weg album, but I haven't listened to it yet! I better get on that!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 1, 2017 12:43:56 GMT -6
Well, I guess I disagree with your assessment, Thomas. There's not much more to say, since the terms of the debate are based on opinions. I personally wouldn't rely on the internet to give me the correct genre labels. I certainly have a hard time thinking of Dying Blaze or Wintersoul as death/black hybrids (regardless of the label given). Very true. Even Orationem "Trve Holy Black Metal" is listed as "metal". ...but those examples were a bit of the cart AFTER the horse. Many Christian black metal bands sound a bit on the deathy side, so THEN I looked at their classification, and well, it only confirmed what I felt. You're completely right about the opinion aspect. I'm clearly outnumbered and will be disagreed with. ...but I would hope someone would at least notice that me, being experienced in the "secular black metal" sound, would consider that control-group's comparison of WHY they see "unblack" metal as either lackluster, or not entirely black metal.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 1, 2017 12:45:39 GMT -6
Back to the original post: I have the Der Weg album, but I haven't listened to it yet! I better get on that! Oh man, I love it. I've listened to that album AT LEAST twice a day since I got it myself.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 1, 2017 14:06:51 GMT -6
Black metal bro? How about BLACK METAL? For me myself, this is what I want. Not more hybrids. I can see the project is labeled as death/black. I fail to hear enough "death metal" in the music to warrant calling it that, though. BandcampThere was ONE band, mentioned once in ONE thread here that I really REALLY liked - started the album, didn't stop until I listened to the whole thing. ...I remember it sounding quite black, but I'm not 100% on that. The name started with an "A" I think, kind of a long name. Had a reddish cover. Either Arch of Thorns or Armageddon Holocaust? Both start with "a" and have albums with reddish covers
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 3, 2017 12:23:12 GMT -6
Either Arch of Thorns or Armageddon Holocaust? Both start with "a" and have albums with reddish covers Nope. This band was OBSCURE. Must not have started with an A then. Had a LONG name. Redish cover with something skull looking at the front. I know that's probably thousands of releases. D: Sorry. Can't remember, and I don't have the time to dig....
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 3, 2017 14:55:18 GMT -6
Hm, the only things I can really think of are Dying Blaze's album, and Emperador's "Gloria en la oscurdiad" EP. But neither of those projects have particularly long names.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 4, 2017 1:51:10 GMT -6
Got a second to look for it. Sorry, this has been an insane weekend - this week will be LONG. Luck was on my side and found it pretty quick.
This. Kind of an older sound, but its SOLID Christian black metal that does the job right.
Shadows of Paragon, another CBM band that gets a thumbs up from me.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 4, 2017 8:45:57 GMT -6
Oh. I thought of Propiciatorium, but I didn't consider that a skull Oh well, glad you found it anyway! It's definitely a matter of taste, I guess - I've actually never been a big fan of that album, so I'm kind of surprised to hear you like it so much.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 4, 2017 9:16:21 GMT -6
Oh. I thought of Propiciatorium, but I didn't consider that a skull Oh well, glad you found it anyway! My memory on some things is utter mush, like swinging in the dark, since I've had IV chemotherapy. A band that started with a P, with a cover that doesn't have a skull, was "remembered" as a band that starts with an A and had a skull. Give me 30 years. Assuming I'm still alive, I'm confident I will have the legitimate ability to hide my own Easter eggs. It's definitely a matter of taste, I guess - I've actually never been a big fan of that album, so I'm kind of surprised to hear you like it so much. Not only do they do a lot of things right musically, but its actually BLACK METAL. That alone got me excited since I first heard it. I'd be interested in a thread of "really, this is ACTUAL Christian black metal" music, rather than the focus all these hybrids have. Feels like right now, the entire Christian black metal section of the forum, feels like a sandwich shop with a massive collection of wraps, burritos and chef salads.... and oh, by the way, there's a few sandwiches buried somewhere around here too...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 10:14:56 GMT -6
I don't remember if you liked Skald in Veum but I'd say they're pure black metal.
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