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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 18, 2017 16:39:11 GMT -6
Though I will say that smoke inhalation is probably not the healthiest method of absorption but I do believe the plant was meant for man's benefit. I agree. That's why doctors (if they recommend cannabis) strongly advise to use a vaporizer. Me, I never went that rout for financial reasons. A cheap and ineffective vaporizer is $60. A very awesome and effective brass hitter is $7. Very informative article! I can't help but wonder the amount of cannabis consumption used in correlation to each study. I mean "Motor-vehicle accidents", well yeah, if someone smoked a bowl and then hopped in their car, of course... Going through an 8th in 2 days (like my friends do) and driving around a day later in that fog, absolutely... ...but a pinch hit before bed and getting in your car the next morning or two days after? Not really seeing that as even being a possible that pot caused a car wreck?? "Helps chronic pain in adults" is very broad. ...I'm not even sure why the word "chronic" is there. (recall having a headache during chemotherapy and while I took the cannabis for nausea, it also made the headache go away) _____________________________________ "Substance abuse disorder for alcohol, tobacco, and other illicit drugs" - out of all the negative aspects of cannabis, this is the one that worries me the most, and I've known about it since before I started using for medical reasons. I'm not worried at all that I'll start drinking again or start using drugs for recreational purposes, but... addiction is sneaky. It doesn't have to ruin your life to quietly take control. I had a long talk with my wife about this. What if my brain is having a psychosomatic response? I mean, I already know that no matter how bad I feel, that goes away with a toke... what if addiction is trying to take advantage of that? On one side, I feel maybe I should just embrace current pain and discomfort and try to start building more of a "tolerance" because the more I toke for relief, the more I want relief whenever I feel bad. On the other side, why spend half the day feeling miserable whenever that all goes away in one breath? On one side, I the former drug and alcohol counselor knows its bad for me and there's a guilt. On the other side, I'm beating myself up for even feeling guilty because God made it, it helped me and (right now) its not making my life unmanageable. I can rationalize it. I'm not selling my ass for a hit, I'm not broke because of it, my work, music and family time hasn't suffered because of it, my family/friends/work accept that I use it, I'm not going to jail or having wild parties, or dealing with shady characters. ...but I could rationalize my drinking back then too. "At least I never went to prison", "At least its not cocaine", "At least I never had a DUI", etc. I feel like I'm between Scylla and Charybdis here and my choices are: - stop using it, regain control, but feel miserable (which turns me into a jerk) until I get used to feeling that way - keep using it, slowly lose control and just watch myself cross the line into the realm of "using problems" I both love and hate that I'm thinking about this too much.
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Post by exo on Jan 18, 2017 18:25:47 GMT -6
I'm actually having the same thoughts about alcohol at the moment, since we're being "real" about things. I don't have a "problem" that disrupts things......but I'm starting to get to the point where I get home in the morning and have a couple shots to "relax" before bed. And believe me, I sleep like a BABY now, where I wasn't before. Don't drink at ANY other points, really, and I'm stupidly careful about NOT overdoing things, because at nearly 42, with my work schedule and family life, I do not have TIME for recovering from things.
But I'm still recognizing that this might be becoming a habit/before bed "ritual", just like I used to have 2 smokes before I laid down.
Not exactly worried about becoming a full on raging alcoholic.......but......
Ya know?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 18, 2017 20:21:08 GMT -6
From 2000 to 2005, I worked nights at a grocery store and drank so I could "sleep better". I didn't have a few shots like you - it was slamming half pints of 80 proof and "sleeping" that off every day.
I got measurably worse over a period of time and my ability to work and attend college classes suffered. ...and I know that everyone who drinks doesn't react like I do.
A lot of people have a "few drinks before bed ritual" and I see nothing wrong with it because they don't just continuously spiral out of control like I did. I'm an alcoholic, lots of people aren't.
The drug and alcohol community has me believing in cross addiction. Like, once you have an addiction with one drug (and alcohol is a drug), you can't have a "casual relationship" with any other psychoactive drugs. It's taught you'll either start abusing the new drug, or get bored with it and return back to your drug of choice.
By that definition, I'm due to spiral out of control with my cannabis use here eventually...
...but really though?
Coffee is a psychoactive drug because of caffeine. Since I've been working more, I've been having a cup every morning, and I like strong coffee. Addiction is a bit too strong of a word, but I'll fully admit I get the habit forming aspect of it. I definitely drink for effect, not taste.
So of my years of drinking caffeine, why have I never spiraled out of control with it? I've never expected to rob a liquor store for more coffee, but with how often I blacked out while drinking and ended up in the hospital, why not do the same with that drink?
I know while weed, alcohol and coffee are all 3 very different chemicals, but does that still mean I'll spiral out of control with all psychoactive drugs?
Sorry. I'm rambling.
Part of me believes that this is different than alcohol, but what if it's not? That's pretty much where I'm at with this right now.
Mines not a sleep thing at all. I start wilting somewhere between 5pm and 7pm (like clockwork), I toke and feel an energy boost, then I feel "relaxed" and I go to bed 3-4 hours later. I'll eat a sandwich or a snack that size some time before bed... if that gauges as the munchies or something. LOL
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Post by exo on Jan 18, 2017 20:28:16 GMT -6
Rambling? Not at all. These thoughts come out, and the vocalizing (as it were) of where the thought process is at can be REALLY important.
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Post by Deepfriar on Jan 19, 2017 9:06:07 GMT -6
I was a raging alcoholic for 8+ years. Drank almost 365 days a year. Liquor mostly but I'd go for beer sometimes too. I'm honestly grateful to God because He is the only reason I'm not dead. He delivered me from that addiction about 5 years ago. Now I mostly just drink casually, wine or beer here and there, a few times a month.
That being said, when I have supply I smoke every single day too, mostly at night but some in the day too on weekends. Makes house cleaning with headphones more fun lol. I'm also an avid gamer and it goes very well with video games. I said all this to say that weed is not as addictive as people think in my opinion because I go for weeks at a time without any from time to time if I have trouble getting a hold of some and I never miss it to the point of feeling obsessed. I work full time and pay all my bills so I just don't see anything wrong with it. I understand that it's not the most popular stance among conservatives though so I tell very few people. Basically, I respect other views and hope that others respect my view also. I'm definitely not hurting anyone, just doing it at home.
Blah blah now I'm the one rambling lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 20:12:04 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing your story Thomas, and hope you will recover. May the Father keep you in His arms.
Personally, I don't like weed. I smoked it for many, many years, even after it started giving me panic attacks. The attacks themselves were probably not created by the THC itself, as there were other issues, but it came to a point where every time I smoked it would pretty much give me a panic attack.
I'm not against smoking weed, or any drugs really, as I understand them differently. I'll go into more detail about that in another thread though.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 23, 2017 16:24:54 GMT -6
when I have supply I smoke every single day too, mostly at night but some in the day too on weekends. Makes house cleaning with headphones more fun lol. I'm also an avid gamer and it goes very well with video games. I can definitely vouch for that as well! LOL I went for almost a week, then when that bowel obstruction hit, it was the only thing that gave me relief. (makes me wish I would have just started with cannabis, rather than eat a bunch of pills that did NOTHING, then used cannabis anyway) Like you DF, I pay my bills, don't get in trouble with it... a little dab 'll do ya, so its not like I'm moving ounces and hundreds of dollars of it around. Its weird, sometimes I feel convicted about it... sometimes I don't. Personally, I don't like weed. I smoked it for many, many years, even after it started giving me panic attacks. Back when I smoked to get high, I was always super paranoid and freaking out. Never had that since I started using with cancer. I think that was for several reasons. 1) only did one toke at a time, so I never get stoned out of my gourd 2) I was open about using it and it was accepted by my family and job
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Post by thevociferator on Feb 23, 2017 16:54:36 GMT -6
Personally for me I think I'm just extremely neutral with weed. I'd much rather buy a new CD or a big burrito than a bag of weed. I also live in a state (California) where weed is legal so I wouldn't face the whole breaking the law moral dilemma that some of you would. I would only ever smoke weed if someone else is smoking and hands me the bong and even then 3/4s of the time I just have no interest. The smell is amazing, but the taste and effect just isn't there, but maybe I haven't had good quality weed.
And I think a part of God's plan for me, my first time getting high was with 98% pure THC wax and I was tripping out the whole afternoon and evening and then still even after waking up the next day. It was like a 24 hour high and I was annoyed the whole and did not feel "chill" a single moment. I know what I did was poseurish in the 420 community, but that's okay to me. I am glad I don't like weed that much. All it does is provide with one less thing to have to buy each week. I already have addcition problems with food and music. I'm glad God saved me through my own idiocracy from another addiction.
as far as other people, it saddens me when I see some people that obsess over weed, always posting about it on facebook, and my roommate weekly saying "I would love some weed right now" or seeing mates in local bands always toking it up before, during, and after a show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:55:30 GMT -6
Back when I smoked to get high, I was always super paranoid and freaking out. I hear ya. With me it wasn't so much paranoia, but panic attacks which might last anywhere from 7-14hrs, depending, and whether I was on drugs or not. But weed would just help them onset after a while. Started to hate it, even though I continued to smoke it. It gave me a feeling like porcelain. Y'know when you scrape your finger across the unglazed bottom of a porcelain plate, or doll? Yeah that's how it felt lol. One toke is not bad at all though, you did it the smart way, imo. as far as other people, it saddens me when I see some people that obsess over weed, always posting about it on facebook Man, I feel ya, I hate that too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 19:03:20 GMT -6
Okay, I had an experience the other day, that I think I should post in here. A little background: I have an extensive drug history, been clean since 2013, until this January. In January, I started taking dxm rather often again, for the past 2 months, so I thought I should maybe try to just go natural and smoke some weed instead. Lesser of 2 evils... Boy, was I wrong. I had gotten an ounce the other day with the intention to just smoke and watch movies, work on music, etc. I'd smoked a bit here and there for a few days prior to try and work up a tolerance. (I was at someone else's house for a couple of days. So, here I am at home, and I take a puff. No real problem. A couple hours later, I take another puff... just one... I swear, it was like all of the demons of hell conspiring against me at one moment to inflict horrible punishment upon my flesh in anticipation of my death, no lie. I realize it was just because my tolerance was low, but there were other elements that I discerned could be of a supernatural, i.e., demonic nature. My heart starts pounding in my chest (normal), and the irrational fear of panic starts (also normal, but unpleasant), and then it gets worse and worse... Suddenly, I feel as if I'm going to die of a heart attack (normal panic attack, for me), and I start getting these waves of numbness throughout my body, my heart's pounding. I realize that I've done something terribly stupid, and am pleading with God to save me. That's when the thoughts start racing: "You're a sinner! You've gone too far, look at you! He won't accept you, you're in our hands now!" My heart pounds harder and faster, the fear intensifies to terror. Out of desperation, I ask my wife to pray for me, thinking that maybe God won't hear my prayers, but will hear hers. Bible verses flash in my mind about mens' hearts "failing them for fear," and I feel as if this prophecy is meant for me. I pray it isn't so! I try to watch some TV, to take my mind off it. I start the dvd player, and the movie that's in there flashes on screen: "THE JUDGMENT" A thought flashes in my mind that there is no rest, that this is my judgment. I had my last chance, and blew it. My heart pounds even harder, my chest tightens. Not knowing what to do, I pace in the hallway praying to God with every breath to save me from my stupidity. I realize I'm bargaining, one of the stages of death. This is horrible. I remember that I have half of a clonazepam in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom that I've kept since 2012, 'just in case.' I take it, and pray to God that it helps. I wonder whether or not I should call an ambulance. My wife is now crying, on her knees praying for God's mercy for me. Things subside a bit, gradually, then come back in waves just as strong. Eventually, within 15 to 30 minutes I start to calm down. The benzodiazepine is starting to have a bit of an effect. Man, I praise God to be alive. I have no doubt that if I hadn't have had that clonazepam, I would have died the other night, or at least ended up in the hospital. It was crazy, weed is no joke. I have a history of heavy drug abuse, and I've always said weed will "screw you up." Worst part is... now I have an ounce I can't touch.
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Post by barabbas on Mar 17, 2017 21:08:49 GMT -6
^ Glad you're still with us and that you came through it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 8:22:29 GMT -6
^ Glad you're still with us and that you came through it! Thanks man, me too. I'm an idiot.
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Post by Charles on Mar 19, 2017 14:42:05 GMT -6
Hey Michael,
I have such a story on this, it will blow your mind. I am always so short on time, please accept my apology, but this definitely needs to be discussed. I too have a long history of drugs, alcohol, and addiction. Something crazy happened to me too, and my life has forever changed. I am still under the torment of this "curse" as I have so named it. I struggle every day just to get through it.
First, I would strongly advise to never smoke weed again. This is not a knock on those who want to defend weed. There are people out there who are predisposed to some very serious health problems that are triggered by weed. So this is just a health warning for your own safety if you happen to be one of those. I am one of those, and Michael, it sounds like you may be as well.
My health has been a torment for over twenty years now. I don't talk much about it as I am very private, but man, pray you don't end up getting worse. You would do well to stay away from what triggers you, in this case, it appears that may be weed.
Lets talk more on this later. I'll be praying for you. Be blessed brother...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 19:14:59 GMT -6
Wow, alright man, I hear you. I think you may be right. Lets talk more on this later. I'll be praying for you. Be blessed brother... Definitely man, and thank you. God bless likewise. <3
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Post by Charles on Mar 23, 2017 10:39:23 GMT -6
I was coming back to talk about the episode michaelmosher had after smoking weed, but it says deleted member. What happened there?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 13:13:06 GMT -6
He must have deleted his account. I don't know why.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Mar 23, 2017 19:09:08 GMT -6
I was coming back to talk about the episode michaelmosher had after smoking weed, but it says deleted member. What happened there? He must have deleted his account. I don't know why. I messaged Michael on my personal FB account. ". . . I'm leaving the black metal scene. Going in a different direction musically" "Nothing against anyone there . . . Tell the guys they can hit me up on my facebook if they want. I might register again at some point."He's also going through some struggles at the moment and would appreciate if we could pray for him. His Facebook account: [here]
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Post by Kerrick on Mar 24, 2017 10:02:51 GMT -6
Thanks for keeping us posted NI.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jun 12, 2017 14:00:57 GMT -6
I might as well say that my own situation with using cannabis has changed a little bit.
I would always buy 1/8th of an oz at a time. Normally, that amount (using every day) would last me a solid month, month and a half, ...but the last "8th" I bought early April is still going strong. It will probably last me through most of July, which mean my consumption has halfed...
I think this is a combination of things. 1) this batch is potent and because of that 2) I'm taking what I call "half-tokes" or "three-quarter tokes" 3) Its still pretty much once a day for pain relief...
...and relief it provides. For 6 hours, and those smaller drags are cutting it.
My wife has learned to put me to work around the house after I "disappear". (our nickname for me going down to the basement for my poof) I usually slowly limp holding my stomach as I shuffle towards the basement, and emerge feeling like a million bucks and like I drank 2 cups of coffee really fast.
Most "house stuff" we've done (taking apart the downstairs bed and moving the pieces upstairs, stripping wallpaper in the upstairs hallway and bedroom so we can paint, hanging up new curtains around the house, knocking the plaster out of walls with cracks and putting up new drywall and spackle, I fixed the mirror in the downstairs bedroom, etc.) was after I "took my medicine".
I think I was expecting to just feel good one day and just stop... but it appears that the natural progression is using less and less and less... tapering off to eventually nothing rather than abruptly stopping.
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Post by Deepfriar on Jun 22, 2017 20:45:32 GMT -6
I got a vaporizer and find it much more comfortable on the throat. It's much healthier too. You get all of the good stuff and none of the bad. I know your end goal is to quit but if you are going to be doing it for any extended period of time I highly recommend a vaporizer. The Plenty by Storz and Bickel is an excellent choice; mucho bang for your buck. You can vape other herbs too after you quit cannabis and it's very good for you. Different herbs for different health benefits. Some are good for the stomach, some for sleep, some for energy, some for headaches, etc. You can vape things like chamomile, lavender, eucalyptus, damiana, hops, basil, catnip, etc. It's becoming a mini hobby for me lol.
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Post by Deepfriar on Jun 22, 2017 20:47:34 GMT -6
Make sure you get the herbs from a reputable organic source. Mountain Rose or Oregon's Wild Harvest are good choices.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jun 23, 2017 12:03:22 GMT -6
Yeah, I know the vaporizer approach is healthier. It kind of goes back to this That's why doctors (if they recommend cannabis) strongly advise to use a vaporizer. Me, I never went that rout for financial reasons. A cheap and ineffective vaporizer is $60. A very awesome and effective brass hitter is $7. and one toke a day hardly has me coughing, out of breath or not getting enough air at times. I know that sounds like the setup for regret - not gonna take measures to change until it causes lung problems, but - I'm not going to take measures to change until I start coughing up a bunch of crap or don't have the air to outrun my wife at the park anymore. LOL As far as my supply, its home-grown fire from Colorado. Friend of a friend is reliable enough for me, especially when a damn 8th lasts over 3 months smoking from it every day. Plus, an old guy with years of experience who gives some real TLC to his crop, for the win... I have no idea what else to call it other than the best cannabis I've ever had. This last batch even went longer than the purple haze I had...
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Post by Deepfriar on Jun 24, 2017 9:15:57 GMT -6
Nice dude. It seems like everything was in place to get you what you need. Sounds like providence. Happy weekend sir!
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Post by _ on Dec 3, 2018 17:46:32 GMT -6
Dearest people with weed smoking experience, can you please share if smoking has had any influence on your impulse control?
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Post by jazzhead on Dec 3, 2018 21:31:57 GMT -6
Dearest people with weed smoking experience, can you please share if smoking has had any influence on your impulse control? i can say in my former life, weed drastically reduced my impulse control. It definitely encouraged the "if it feels good, do it" mentality. That's my experience, your mileage may vary.
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Post by _ on Dec 4, 2018 20:58:10 GMT -6
Thanks, man. I figured as much but I had a small hope otherwise.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 10, 2018 9:28:55 GMT -6
Dearest people with weed smoking experience, can you please share if smoking has had any influence on your impulse control? I forgot to answer when you posted. I swear I didn't forget because of weed. XD I think a different person using different amounts yields different results. aka jazzhead saying "your mileage may vary" Even though my 1 toke a day is to smash my "evening yuck", between my tolerance and the small amount I use, I really don't notice a difference in my impulsiveness. If anything, stuff that's normally not "as fun" is a little "more fun" after I go poof. Perfect example, cleaning/household chores. I'm not going WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! washing a sink of dishes after use, but it just seems a little less tedious? Hard to describe. Overall, I wouldn't recommend it for that. I think using coping skills to address off-the-cuff actions/choices/etc. would be a better option than using "drugs".
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Post by _ on Dec 10, 2018 11:02:33 GMT -6
Word, Thomas. Thanks for sharing about your experiences
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Post by exo on Dec 11, 2018 16:50:36 GMT -6
Ive never smoked pot......but based on my impulse issues related to alcohol consumption? I kind of hope Indiana DOESN’T legalize it.....but I think that the issue there would be more MY impulse control, and less the pot, and recognizing you may have an impulse control issue beforehand is probably something to examine before giving pot a try.
Me, I think I “know better”,as far as my personal life circumstances go....
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