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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 2, 2015 23:50:00 GMT -6
...you lose touch?
Maybe its the forum and looking through my old CD collection, but I find myself wondering where the people I used to talk to all the time are.
Phil Diaz of Sorrowstorm, Encryptor and many other. I can't find him anywhere. We used to IM all the time back in the Breviarium days. Jeff Derezenski - the dude that ran the label for Akryal and bailed. Water under the bridge, I'd love to talk with him about how much life has changed and show him how I've grown musically. Shannon Frye - dude influenced me big time in my music. I can't find him anywhere except I still have his old e-mail. He rarely responds. I miss a lot of people from the blabberboard. Even though James Mattern owes me $30 and Mazzie owes me for a box of Hguols CDs, I'd still want to talk to them to see what life is like now.
I'm sure there's others I'll think of later...
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Post by Kerrick on Feb 3, 2015 11:02:20 GMT -6
James... there's a name I haven't heard for a while! I think he owes a lot of people money... I ordered quite a bit of stuff from DMD back in the day and have had only positive experiences with him. He accidentally sent me the wrong CD once and I was a little annoyed that I had to pay shipping to return it, but otherwise, he was real good. He even hooked me up with Place Of Skull's debut album which is quite rare. I wonder how he's doing and hope he's well.
Back when the Becoming The Archetype boards were super popular, we had a pretty solid cast of characters on there. I'm friends with a handful of them on Facebook but there are a bunch of others who I haven't heard from in years. Seth and Jason used to post on there; it'd be great to hear from them again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 12:21:25 GMT -6
James... there's a name I haven't heard for a while! I think he owes a lot of people money... . Yep...
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Post by drawnsword on Feb 3, 2015 15:29:59 GMT -6
Through my art service and love of unblack i have connected with many people who have been involved within, and have also seen an alarming amount of them forsake there faith and the scene over several years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 16:33:44 GMT -6
Yeah, the number of people involved in the scene who abandon Christianity is astounding. I don't get it...Christian black metal has brought me closer to God than anything else in my life.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 3, 2015 22:08:04 GMT -6
I've seen that too. I've often speculated why...
Through the darkest periods of my life, I never lost my faith in God - even though I was struggling, and that word is an understatement in my early-mid 20's.
The only thing I can think of is they get saved for the wrong reason...
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Post by Kerrick on Feb 4, 2015 10:57:12 GMT -6
Metal is an extremely polarized "scene" too... In country music, you can be casually Christian, mention God in a couple of your songs, and such - and that's expected/admired. In metal... it seems you've really gotta choose your team and be 100% all in, or else members of either "side" will tear you apart. If any genre of music was a spiritual "warzone", it'd be metal, specifically black metal. And to fight in that battle, you better be well prepared with the armor of God. I think many folks venture into it ill-prepared and get crushed.
Also, and this is a chicken-or-the-egg deal, but we are drawn to this type of music for a reason. It's dark, intense, mysterious, and emotionally charged. I'm speculating, but perhaps many people who are drawn to that might have a predisposition towards much of the darkness that exists against our faith. I went on a hike with a girl I was dating at the time and we came to a spot where the trail passed by a dark and very thick forest and continued onto a sunny ridgeline overlooking the ocean. Naturally, I wanted to go into the forest. She told me, "Kerrick, you have a dark heart" hahaha. I dunno, what draws folks like us to the darker things of life? I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but we do need to be careful...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 11:25:31 GMT -6
Metal is an extremely polarized "scene" too... In country music, you can be casually Christian, mention God in a couple of your songs, and such - and that's expected/admired. In metal... it seems you've really gotta choose your team and be 100% all in, or else members of either "side" will tear you apart. Of course that's true somehow. Nevertheless it is - at least from my point of view- true in those cases, when people haven't dealt with guys from the 'other side', but are first and foremost talking about what they THINK about this side. The more you stick to cliches, the more extreme your thoughts about the 'others' might become. Of course it's common in the metal scene that people don't want you to preach, like: "you are so wrong and you have to follow the path I'm showing you", but so far my experiences really show: when people show respect for each other's opinion, they get along well. And about people leaving the scene: you know, I guess sometimes it's simply the case of young people changing. Some might be raised Christian, start a band/project, when they're still quite young and change their ('spiritual') point of view when they're older, others come from a totally different background and become a Christian later on..."life takes you where it goes", so to say.
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Post by Kerrick on Feb 4, 2015 15:09:11 GMT -6
For sure. I should clarify though: I think it's more the fans than the musicians themselves. People like Dale Thompson from Bride get a LOT of flack from the Christian metal community over his universalism views (I don't even know how many topics we've had to lock on CMR over this issue). And if you ever want to see hatred towards Christian metalheads, just check out the forums on the Metal Archives; they're ruthless over there! I guess my point is that you don't get that in other genres as much.
It definitely all comes down to respect. I've never felt disrespected at shows (Christian or secular) or meeting other metalheads around town and such. But I've definitely got some flack online for being a Christian metalhead. In this day and age of forums, facebook, and the like, it's so easy for people to somewhat-anonymously criticize each other with no fear of any actual repercussions.
I think you're totally right about people's lives changing. A lot of folks were raised in the church and it's around that age that people start really making their faith their own (or denouncing it).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 16:59:40 GMT -6
But I've definitely got some flack online for being a Christian metalhead. In this day and age of forums, facebook, and the like, it's so easy for people to somewhat-anonymously criticize each other with no fear of any actual repercussions. True. This is what I meant when talking about people, who are sort of repeating their preconceptions over and over again, instead of really talking to others. Just a waste of time.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 4, 2015 19:41:44 GMT -6
This is going to sound weird, but the only flack I've gotten is from the Christian scene...
Most metalheads don't like Christian lyrics for *list reasons here* They could care less what someone believes though, for the most part.
Me a Christian - Ankou Awaits, a non-obscene, not-about Christian(ity) project. - The secular scene reviews it, buys it and acknowledges it. - The Christian scene won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
I'd much rather have someone judge my music for my writing and performing ability, than judge my lyrics and recoil from the music as if its a hot flame. ....all because I'm a Christian and don't talk about Christian themes in my lyrics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 20:08:51 GMT -6
I do agree that it's strange that the Christian scene ignores Ankou Awaits. But you can't really blame the majority of the secular scene for not listening to Christian black metal and you can't really blame the Christian scene for not listening to Pagan/Occult/Satanic black metal. Some people are alright with disregarding lyrics, but some people (like me) avoid things that contradict their beliefs.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 4, 2015 20:51:54 GMT -6
I think the Christian metal scene ignored InExordium (Paramæcium), Soundscape and Altera Enigma (Paramæcium & Kekal) as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 1:14:07 GMT -6
InExordium had a great album, I really wish they had put out more. Andrew is a great musician. And Ankou REALLY deserves attention in the Christian scene.
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Post by Kerrick on Feb 5, 2015 14:02:27 GMT -6
I've been meaning to pick up InExordium's album. Is it good? I love Paramaecium though I'm not the hugest fan of straight-up death metal typically. However, I've been cranking a lot of Pantokrator these days.
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Post by drawnsword on Feb 5, 2015 15:08:21 GMT -6
Yeah, i think a lot of them grew up in the institutional church and i believe that this system so often destroys and prevents one from growing and often leaves one feeling betrayed.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 10, 2015 22:26:48 GMT -6
...you lose touch? Maybe its the forum and looking through my old CD collection, but I find myself wondering where the people I used to talk to all the time are. Phil Diaz of Sorrowstorm, Encryptor and many other. I can't find him anywhere. We used to IM all the time back in the Breviarium days. Jeff Derezenski - the dude that ran the label for Akryal and bailed. Water under the bridge, I'd love to talk with him about how much life has changed and show him how I've grown musically.Shannon Frye - dude influenced me big time in my music. I can't find him anywhere except I still have his old e-mail. He rarely responds. I miss a lot of people from the blabberboard. Even though James Mattern owes me $30 and Mazzie owes me for a box of Hguols CDs, I'd still want to talk to them to see what life is like now. I'm sure there's others I'll think of later... AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Jeff contacted me out of the blue at my grimblackmetal.com e-mail! I invited him here. Totally hope he shows up! So good to hear from him!
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