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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jul 14, 2018 19:31:24 GMT -6
Update 2: Drawnsword was right. Further investigation shows the samples I found online are different from what's on the actual CD. I still can't find samples online of the real disc, but this review proves that the music is different. False alarm!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 15, 2018 7:16:49 GMT -6
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by drawnsword on Jul 15, 2018 18:30:35 GMT -6
Total crap! as those are not even the tracks on the Arch of Thorns cd.
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Post by drawnsword on Jul 17, 2018 4:02:36 GMT -6
I cant find the real tracks from the REAL "Sword of The Spirit demo EP" on youtube but if any has the cd then like me you will know it sounds nothing like Mactatus.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jul 17, 2018 9:58:25 GMT -6
Investigating now, Drawnsword! I'll (hopefully) be in touch soon!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 17, 2018 10:22:31 GMT -6
Total crap! as those are not even the tracks on the Arch of Thorns cd. I listened closely to: Arch of Thorns - Sword of the Spirit Mactätus - With Excellence Comparing points. As far as I can tell - this isn't a copycat.... its the EXACT. SAME. RECORDING. The vocals and guitar sounds are identical. nocturnaliridescence, did you make these videos that are on your channel? Or did you find them elsewhere on YouTube and just host them?
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jul 17, 2018 10:38:27 GMT -6
Thomas Eversole - The songs were mislabeled, either intentionally or unintentionally (not by me; this is apparently a very common download online.) This review describes the real songs a bit, and there are some really clear differences between the real songs, and the mislabeled Mactatus songs. drawnsword, I can't find the original songs, but I found these track lengths online. Are these correct? 1. Visions of the End (Intro) 01:27 2. ...And the War Begins 04:24 3. Awakening the Fire Within 05:12 4. His Eminent Return 01:55 5. Sword of the Spirit 04:17
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jul 17, 2018 10:58:13 GMT -6
Double post: I found one of the old songs. Actual songPlagiarized songSo that settles it Thankfully just a misunderstanding. I'd love to know how this happened though -- these songs have EXTREMELY LITTLE in common, how...? Was it a prank someone did, or..........???
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 17, 2018 12:58:44 GMT -6
I'd love to know how this happened though -- these songs have EXTREMELY LITTLE in common, how...? I have an idea how. Just a theory.... When Dimmu Borgir "Abrahadabra" was coming out (not yet released) there was a "leak" of the album online. I went to download it to check it out - as the song "Gateways" was the only song public so far, and I wanted to scout the other tracks. After listening to the "whole album" I was extremely disappointed. I thought Dimmu Borgir lost their mind - took a few steps back and then some.... Gateways was awesome, but the other tracks were pretty basic 2-note black metal with frumpy keys rather than the orchestra featured on Gateways. I remember comments online saying something similar - all of our feelings akin to "I'm not getting this junk. Only 1 song is good." Long story short, SOMEONE (I don't know who) basically took the song Gateways and put it as the 2nd track, but took some other basic black metal recording and gave it the Abrahadabra track names and embedded artwork for the rest of the tracks. It was definitely NOT Dimmu Borgir, except for the 1 already released song, but close enough in production and sound, it matched the presentation for the rest of the tracks. It completely fooled me. The REAL album was out for a few weeks before (I think it was on this forum actually) someone remarked on the orchestra throughout, which made me investigate the album again. It was then I realized, that leak was total bunk. Not the Abrahadabra album at all. Why did "they" do this? Well.... either to hype that the upcoming Dimmu Borgir was trash.... ...or to hype their source as getting their hands on a new album from a renown artist before everyone else. Going back to the Arch of Thorns scenario.... why did someone basically "publish" the Mactätus album as the Arch of Thorns album? My guesses: - to make anyone who researches (like you NI) think that Christian black metal has a problem with plagiarism. - to expose the bias of secular black metal fans that would probably love Mactätus, but hate Arch of Thorns. (secretly hating a secular recording they think is Christian) I've heard Arch of Thorns before.... but what's with that recording? I'm all for lo-fi black metal. I dig the mix, I dig the instrument and vocal sounds, but THAT recording is undeniably a rip from a cassette tape that has been played so much, I would consider it a product of DAMAGED TAPE SATURATION.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jul 17, 2018 16:07:00 GMT -6
That reminds me of the time a NeverDead song was mislabeled on Limewire as a "Cradle of Filth / Dimmu Borgir collaboration" Of course it was more obvious that it was mislabeled with that song -- first of all it was on Limewire, and second, either Dimmu or CoF would have mentioned the song at some point and everyone would have known about it. It's more difficult in the underground, where people will just disappear for years at a time and their music isn't widely available. About Arch of Thorns, ......... I don't know what damaged tapes sound like, but I actually like the sound What do you think of the song you listened to compared to this one from the first demo? (Edit: Skip the first minute or so, it's just ambience)
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Post by drawnsword on Jul 18, 2018 1:55:35 GMT -6
Thomas Eversole - The songs were mislabeled, either intentionally or unintentionally (not by me; this is apparently a very common download online.) This review describes the real songs a bit, and there are some really clear differences between the real songs, and the mislabeled Mactatus songs. drawnsword , I can't find the original songs, but I found these track lengths online. Are these correct? 1. Visions of the End (Intro) 01:27 2. ...And the War Begins 04:24 3. Awakening the Fire Within 05:12 4. His Eminent Return 01:55 5. Sword of the Spirit 04:17 Yeah those time lengths are right on except track 2 is 3:27 on my cd.
Seems like a purposeful deception. Arch of Thorns is actually a husband and wife act, and vocals are the wife. Learnt this when i was on fb.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 18, 2018 6:07:19 GMT -6
I don't know what damaged tapes sound like I've had a few cassettes back in the day I literally played to death. I'm defining cassette death not as it won't play at all or anymore - but the fidelity drops, that like that AoT recording, this "high end noise" fluctuates in and out randomly. Harder to hear in headphones - but through my mini laptop speakers, that's about ALL I hear. What do you think of the song you listened to compared to this one from the first demo? I'm guessing you don't hear what I'm referring to? I hear it in that recording as well, though not quite as bad. Man, I wish THAT wasn't there - because the mix and instrument/vocal sounds are quite good.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jul 18, 2018 9:53:45 GMT -6
I hear this static that I've heard described elsewhere as a "wooshing sound". It sounds a bit like heavy rain. In the song on Bandcamp (from the 2nd demo), I do notice that it seems to cut out randomly, but it's just far enough in the background that it doesn't actively distract me. In the song on YouTube though (1st demo), the "wooshing sound" seems pretty consistent throughout.
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Post by Deepfriar on Jul 26, 2018 18:19:04 GMT -6
Arch of Thorns releases are on my want lists but unfortunately I don't have any currently. I'm glad this plagiarism thing was sorted out though. Does anyone here actually have any Arch of Thorns releases? I've looked pretty diligently for a while now but can't seem to find any.
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Post by SLAVE_HEART on Aug 11, 2018 18:34:02 GMT -6
I have been plagarized as well. I remember both nocturnaliridescence and Thomas Eversole on a forum when I was psoting some things off my old "servian manual" of written game ideas ripped off by a dude named ian camp and it was and still is on scribd, of which the website said I couldn't prosecute to have him delete it, and nocturnaliridescence thought I ripped off of ian camp, until I proved the other way around. I got very paranoid since then about releasing anything anywhere, and it killed a lot of my own uploads I would have done. It was the same with music. If you give someone a free copy of your music, in forms of Owner rights, you still have to gain permission from artist, author to play it on a radio station or in a club, etc. Royalties, etc. (Yet how would you know your music is jamming in some underground club?) If you did you would be rich through suing if you sued. I have seen sites of even CBM material claiming stuff is free download, but never was. (Weren't we discussing this a few weeks months ago about evroklidon's album of so called free download) I have seen other's like that. Links with missing pages because of rip offs. Poetry, Music, even pictures. On the net how are you supposed to catch someone, right. PLAGIARISM Isn't cool when it's your stuff...
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Post by SLAVE_HEART on Aug 11, 2018 18:34:31 GMT -6
PLAGIARISM Isn't cool when it's your stuff... Or Anyone's stuff. Period.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Feb 11, 2019 22:03:51 GMT -6
UPDATE:CrimsonWarrior has uploaded the real EP to YouTube. Stream it here. More info on these two versions can be found here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 22:19:37 GMT -6
I'm actually enjoying this EP more than I expected. It's raw for sure, but in a really good way.
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