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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 16:25:40 GMT -6
So this is really a topic that can be confusing and I don't really think that ANYONE really knows what it is and I don't think ANYONE WILL until it actually happens. But my thoughts are that is WILL be the RFID chip. With Europe moving to a cashless system and the governments there state that they will have to approve what people buy and sell under the cashless system it will be a BIG step toward the mandatory chip implant to buy and sell etc.
Now I have heard other theories like tattoos or so called alien dna upgrades etc I really don't buy them like I do the Microchip. But then again our grandparents thought that the social security card was the mark of the beast too. So what are your thoughts on this.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jun 11, 2015 22:38:09 GMT -6
Thanks for making some awesome posts to this section Larry! When I worked as a night manager at a grocery store (County Market) in college, I knew a group of senior citizens that wouldn't get the MAX card, (for MAX savings!) because they thought it was the mark of the beast. HAHA!!!
I myself and leaning more towards a Preterist view of the whole "666" ordeal. I simply think John was (in code, as not to be targeted and murdered) referencing Nero Caesar. (his name "spells" 666 (you can look it up how) and he was obviously anti-Christian) The "forehead mark" reference isn't only referenced in Revelations.
Exodus 13:9,16, Deuteronomy 6:6,8; Deuteronomy 11:18: A mark upon the forehead and hand was a symbol of total obedience to God’s Law. Ezekiel 9:4: A mark upon the forehead was indicative of their allegiance to the Lord in the midst of abomination.
I think the "forehead" was a turn-of phrase in those times, and God's mark in your "forehead" meant salvation, Nero's mark (666) meant damnation. The buy and sell aspect had to do with Nero's currency, which having a pocket full of an anti-Christian's profile in your pocket in those times clashed with people's faith.
Revelation 13:16 says the Mark will be placed in the "right hand." - I think that's a symbolic reference to denote a position of power. Not meant to be a literal interpretation. ____________________________
Now that I've addressed this from a biblical standpoint, I'd like to bring up the logical. Why on earth would a forehead or hand inserted chip be (extremely) effective worldwide if we have a (probably sizeable) population who's afraid to even get MAX cards? (for MAX savings!)
Yes, our grandparents thought social security cards were the mark, but is it? No - its just a government assigned number. There will probably be people who think it is the welfare chip - but is it? No, once we understand it, we'll realize its just a piece of hardware/software that some dude made to transmit necessary data.
I've heard the DNA upgrade bit as well and I'm here to tell you, if there will be one, I'm taking it. ...and then I'll use how it improves me to better glorify God.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2015 11:31:04 GMT -6
Thomas and Larry, I think you both made some good points. However, maybe we should also consider, that this "mark" might not be a physical mark, but something spiritual, that those who publicly reject Christ get this "mark", and without doing this, you aren't allowed to trade. Once again a point, in which I don't have a definite opinion yet. That's something that makes the book of revealations hard to understand, it's full of symbolism and, thus open to a lot of interpretations. But IF this RFID chip actually will be the mark, then it will probably take a lot of years till it can be realized to get anyone such a chip, even in our Western World, not to speak of poor African or Asian countries. But you mentioned another interesting point Thomas, The DNA-" upgrade". I think the question would be, how far are we allowed to change our bodies? As we know from the book of Genesis, we are God's images, and what can be improved at God's image?!? But this might be a bit offtopic ^^
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 21, 2015 23:49:11 GMT -6
Seems literal to me:
The two actions here, "worshiping the beast" and "receiving the mark" are distinct from each other. Also the phrase "receive his mark". Also that two different body parts are mentioned.
The only way I think the RFID chip would be the mark of the beast is if it actually had a kind of actual satanic symbol on it somewhere. Otherwise it wouldn't be "worshiping the beast" or "receiving his mark", it'd just be a way of transferring money. However, there's always the chance it could be something that might lead into the mark of the beast. People said rock and roll was the music of the devil. Nowadays, we have black metal. It could start with the RFID chip, and lead into the mark of the beast.
Note, every thought expressed in this post is carefully thought out, but should not be taken as fact.
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