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Post by _ on May 28, 2017 15:10:51 GMT -6
when you try to sing along with Adorned In Ashes but the homies say there's no lyrics
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Virgin Black
Sept 4, 2018 23:02:55 GMT -6
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Post by archdukeofmetal on Sept 4, 2018 23:02:55 GMT -6
The time has come!
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Post by SLAVE_HEART on Sept 6, 2018 14:44:06 GMT -6
The thing about Virgin Black is that they are said to BE a christian band, while they are more Spiritual than Christian. I struggled with whether or not I should own them, as I had already bought three albums. It came down to the bible verse in which Apostle Paul says all things that are clean are allowed, not everything clean is beneficial. Country music can have clean lyrics, yet lead you no closer to God, but God says it's okay. Same with music in this world. If it's clean, it's allowed, yet that doesn't mean your relationship with God will grow closer. But there are some handy tools to make clean music have beneficial attributes. Every love song for the most part can be immediately applied to the bride of Christ to Christ or vise versa in the struggle of love and compassion. With virgin black, who according to the band is named that name because a virgin represents purity while black is vile, and the conflict between the two. So thus, albums "Elegant... And dying" are two conflicting elements, and also "Sombre" and "Romantic". While songs like Requiem speak of death, I think dead to self, or Christ's Empty grave as the ressurrection of my soul, since that is what it is. Now this is not what the Band is singing of, yet as a music listener I can make it apply to my life in reflection. Even songs Velvet tongue about saying "religion has raped us", I think of how the religious christiqans who have loaded people with burdens and that Jesus is not a religion. This kind of attitude I would encourage. There are many "Spiritual" bands who have christian themes from time to time. Albums come to mind with bands that release a whole album with one track dropping Jesus in it. The other songs clean and even spiritual encouragement. I think I spoke enough about this, not trying to write a book, lol.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 6, 2018 20:43:51 GMT -6
Have they claimed to be Christian in any interviews?
Because I know what you're getting at with "more spiritual than Christian", but that's not really the impression I got from the couple songs I heard. I used to have "spiritual" projects before I was born again, and they were basically what you're describing. But like, take this sample from one of Virgin Black's songs: ...
"Dies illa, dies irae The hour is at hand Sorrow ever awaits on joy, Domine Sorrow ever awaits on joy Judgement is at hand All flesh is barren All souls subject Quantus tremor est futurus Quantus tremor Judgement is at hand"
... My lyrics were never as "bold" or clear-cut as these lyrics are.
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Post by archdukeofmetal on Sept 6, 2018 21:01:37 GMT -6
I understand the reluctance, because at one point, I viewed things the same way, although now I’m obviously the furthest thing from being a Christian. But I think when it comes to the aspect of art itself, then lyrical content is completely irrelevant. Quite frankly, and like I said, I am not a Christian whatsoever, but I don’t give a fuck if a band is singing about Christianity or fucking gore and devil worship. I don’t agree with either of the exampled standpoints, but it’s the music itself that brings shit to the table. Again, I understand the reluctance, and what you “take in can be a reflection” but I don’t think it is sane to have such a strict filter on your aural intake. Also, I just want to stress I’m not in any way intending to attack your personal scruples, for you are all your own persons, but merely have a conversation on the topic.
Also, from what I understand, most of the members of the band did not subscribe to Christianity, only one. But I could be mistaken.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 7, 2018 10:29:30 GMT -6
I don’t think it is sane to have such a strict filter on your aural intake. I don't mind secular music in theory, but a lot of it - especially in metal - carries a spiritual essence that I don't like or want in my life. I used to actively embrace that dark essence and seek it out, but now it's the opposite. It works a bit like a drug, seeming to ease pain, when in reality it's just making the pain worse. On the contrary a lot of Christian black metal carries a brighter, purer spiritual essence. A Christian band can cover a Satanic song (Armageddon Holocaust did that once or twice), and it will still just be "purer" than the secular counterpart, even though the exact same things are being performed from a purely musical standpoint.
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Post by SLAVE_HEART on Sept 9, 2018 11:53:08 GMT -6
Have they claimed to be Christian in any interviews? It depends on who is doing the interview. While one interview read, there are some practicing christians, later on it was said, they are spiritual not christian. The problem of this is also seen in the band the awakening, whose first few albums were sold as "christian" in the west, until an album came out with a nude person on it. Yet the Ep by the awakening called "the Fountain" had Christian lyrics, at least in the song Martyr. Argyle Park / Circle of dust did the same, the first album by argyle park being hailed as the greatest "christian" album, but with very little christianity meat. One word or one segment on one song, and it's hailed a "christian album". There are so many bands who do this. Sleeping romance is a female fronted Scandinavian metal band with light opposing darkness themes, with one track quoting from the bible, even in the more popular metal scene band like love and death which made every track great, but with one track, the ending one with Jesus themed message. Even Circle of dust makes sure to mention Christ once, in one song, and yet, all the albums mentioned above are of superior quality. I would not consider these Christian bands, because If I listen to Antestor I'm hearing about Jesus. A person said it once I overheard; There is a difference between christians who are in bands, and Christian bands. I keep that in mind, and remember that the bible says if it is clean it is allowed, but not everything clean is beneficial. SO I spend most my time listening to beneficial, but yeah, I jam out to non-perverse, non-satanic, non-worldly, and music that doesn't encourage my flesh nature. IT's like asking if someone can listen to country music, or rap music and still be christian - Well, depends on what the songs are about. The bible says stay away from perverse speech, etc. Then I will do it.
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Post by SLAVE_HEART on Sept 14, 2018 15:12:08 GMT -6
The above post I made after thinking about it is the issue that follows;
Analogy: In country Music you have songs of Big-Wig artists singing about boozin in bars, Hail america, and being rebels with guns. Yet the same artist might make a gospel country album, or gospel country track.
Now, even though the artist isn't "about Jesus" in a way he kind of is, sometimes... Even Elvis had gospel tracks amidst his other stuff.
Same thing with the bands that seem sometimes in the Jesus market and sometimes not. JESUS IS AN OPTION, not a belief or maybe not even in practice. Virgin Black has a couple tracks that talk about catholic/christian things, but not all their tracks are like this. JESUS IS AN OPTION.
And If I am A Christian to interview these "bands": I'm sure they will have some practicing Christians. If I'm a secular magazine interviewer, they are a spiritual band more so than Christian.
Still clean music. I'll listen as a christian, ... somewhat.
And in my opinion it's really sad, because when you hear tracks like the one posted here from bands like The awakening in which this ONE track was used as a Jesus Option, shows what they could have been in the Christian Industry, but chose not that path;
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Post by _ on Nov 29, 2018 2:38:03 GMT -6
WHY AM I JUST LEARNING ABOUT THIS NOW I HOLD EVERYONE HERE RESPONSIBLE
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Post by _ on Nov 29, 2018 13:40:53 GMT -6
i just keep relistening to the three songs they released. holy moly.
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Post by _ on Dec 15, 2018 13:24:07 GMT -6
Where the extremely offensive expletive is the physical copy I ordered, consumed by a rogue Sydney funnel-web or what
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Post by _ on Dec 27, 2018 20:03:23 GMT -6
update: got it Now I can listen to the album in full. I had only listened to the 'singles', per say, before.
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Post by archdukeofmetal on Jan 2, 2019 9:23:26 GMT -6
I’ve listened to it at least fifteen times now. It’s incredible.
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Post by _ on Mar 18, 2021 17:01:15 GMT -6
It's a shame the metal community -- whatever that means -- loved / knew about their earlier albums but no one has been talking about Pianissimo (e.g., metallum reviews: 7 each for the two others in the trilogy, 0 for this one).
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Mar 18, 2021 20:11:33 GMT -6
Yeah their core fans are definitely into this, but it's a real shame the wider scene hasn't bothered with it. Then again, you know the drill: Christian albums get perpetually ignored. If any other goth/doom/death band on earth had done an all-orchestral album, it'd be groundbreaking.
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Post by _ on Mar 19, 2021 11:00:47 GMT -6
C'est la metal, I suppose.
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