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Post by kimmo on Aug 20, 2015 9:57:26 GMT -6
I was just wondering about this label and the old bands, cos in Discogs it said that the main guy behind this label does not believe in the same stuff anymore. Does that mean he is not a christian anymore? Just curious if anyone knows why he might have chosen to walk away from Christ, if he has. These things interest me, cos theyre obviously very sad but also leave wondering what made the person to make that decision. I guess we should pray more for these kinda people, cos God certainly doesnt want any of his children getting lost.
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Post by blake on Aug 20, 2015 10:27:06 GMT -6
The story I heard was that he is no longer a Christian, I believe he was also the man behind Flaskavsae and a few other bands (Njiqahhda?) Although I may be mistaken on that, so im sure someone will correct me if thats wrong.
I do not know a reason though for this
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 10:46:58 GMT -6
The guy behind Flaskavsae was not the owner of E.E.E. Recordings. W.S./E. Henderson, the guy who was in Light Shall Prevail (who is also in Njiqahdda), is the owner.
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Post by Kerrick on Aug 20, 2015 11:09:35 GMT -6
I could never keep track of which of those two guys did which band haha... Thanks for the clarification! E.E.E. has released some great stuff over the years.
As for their spirituality... Both have made it public that they are no longer followers of Christ. Beyond that, I don't think we should be too concerned with the "why" part. That's between them and God, for only He knows what's going on in their hearts and it's none of our business.
I believe there's a separate topic somewhere here on why there seems to be a large number of people from the Christian metal scene who have left the faith. We can certainly be praying for everyone involved.
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Post by kimmo on Aug 20, 2015 11:15:12 GMT -6
Personally, I think the "why" -question might be important so that we could maybe learn something, if it has got something to do with the christian culture, a certain theology or stuff like that. People may not say it out loud, cos obviously that might not be the main reason as many people leave their faith, but it might be found as an underlying factor. Of course not all people decide to give out their reasons publicly.
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Post by Kerrick on Aug 20, 2015 11:48:58 GMT -6
Agreed. I just don't want this to become a discussion about individual's personal lives and faiths - which can so quickly turn into gossip.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 11:18:53 GMT -6
Thomas, the first Hguols album was released on E.E.E., right? What was your experience with them like?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 23, 2015 12:11:03 GMT -6
My experience with Eric (EEE is initials for his name, or so I thought) was horrible. He would not communicate with me. He agreed to release the album, but I didn't get my copies until months after he'd been selling it on his site. I finally got my cut after I laid into him and said I wasn't going to work with him anymore.
Elan (who was a comrade on the Blabberboard) was telling me how to talk to the guy... to get results and how not to upset him. Forget that!
I would not call the guy reliable. Eric is socially inept and doesn't know how to take care of artists. I have no experience being an EEE customer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 23:21:18 GMT -6
I remember reading about this label and liking a number of their bands, but I always had a nagging "ehh, no, don't order from them, it won't go well" sort of feeling in the back of my mind. I really can't remember what caused it, if it was the layout of the site or what, but I just always had a feeling it would be more hassle than it was worth to order from them.
Flaskavsae were so good though, I loved that band.
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Post by Kerrick on Aug 26, 2015 10:02:12 GMT -6
I've made many orders from them over the years and never had any problems.
And yes, Flaskavsae was awesome!
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Post by drawnsword on Aug 26, 2015 19:30:13 GMT -6
I love the unblack stuff EEE Recordings released and have most of it. I got all my many orders and E even paid me really well in CD's a few times for cover artwork and logos i did them. I have stacks of Njiqhadda albums i havnt even listened too yet. It is a real loss that E and his Brother(Flaskavsae)left the faith and unblack movement. Here is an interview with E that sheds light on where they are at awhile ago hmmagazine.com/blog/hm-exclusives/njiqahdda-extended-interview/The Agathothodion, Flaskavsae, and Light Shall Prevail cataloges is some of the best unblack imo!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 4:45:09 GMT -6
Thank you for posting the interview, drawnsword. That helps clear things up. Quote from the interview about Njiqahdda's lyrics: How much do your faith or beliefs factor into your artistic pursuits?
Our ideas are incredibly relevant to our artistic output. I try to not label them as faith or beliefs since that can come with pre-conceived notions, they are simply ideas. We live our lives based upon what we think and have been taught as being ‘right’. All of this somehow ends up leaking into our art. Black metal is typically known for satanism, atheism, hatred, anger, misanthropy, etc…This is something that we have no part of in any form, outside of being influenced by the musical end of the genre. Our music is not hateful or misanthropic. While I do have certain ideas regarding humanity and its perpetuation of destroying itself, that is not something that comes across in our music. Aside from discussing meditation, nature, emotions and transcendence in our lyrics, we generally try to have some kind of positive outlook on the world and how to conduct ourselves as people. At the end of the day, all we can do is try to be the best people that we can, not only to those who we know and love, but also to those we have never met. We firmly believe in being good to all people, regardless of anything. We also have a great understanding that we must always push ourselves to be better people, to re-evalute our personalities on a daily basis and try to fix our pitfalls to the best of our own ability. There are not enough people like that in the world and I, for one, deeply believe we need more of those. Quote from the interview about the band's stance on Christianity: Our magazine is called Heaven’s Metal and for 25 years we’ve been writing about Christian metal and metal that is of interest to Christians. I don’t know if that is familiar territory for you, but for this question it really doesn’t matter. Do you have any final thoughts or plugs for our audience?
This is moderately familiar territory for us. In part of running the record label, we have released a fair amount of christian centered music over the years. I for one do not consider myself a follower of any specific faith, but I have nothing but respect for those who do. It is not an easy path to follow or a code to live your life by. I was raised christian and was very much in tune with that life style for a very long time. The older I became and the more things I had witnessed in my own life (along with those around me) that caused me to question my faith to the point of not being able to identify with it anymore were aplenty. I still very much think that there is a profound ability for god to exist, but the dogmatics and injustice in a lot of religious institutions/concepts are incredibly frustrating. I am very much grateful for the lessons I had learned from being a part of that lifestyle and still hold a good deal of them in my life now. I will never be one to rule out anything of possible relevance, I just find at this point in my life, I need more time to assess life itself and come to some kind of logical conclusion regarding spirituality. With that also being said, I have witnessed and been a part of a great deal of things that can only be defined as spiritual, so that path is always open and relevant to me. Anyone that can stay true to what they think and believe, I have nothing but respect for. I can definitely see how we have become of interest to many christian music fans, mainly because our attitude and lyrical approach is very atypical to the music we perform. This is fine with us, anyone who is open enough to listen to Njiqahdda with an open mind has our gratitude and appreciation. I'm glad to see that they view Christianity in a relatively positive light despite the fact that they both left the faith. What bothers me is that they say that they "released a fair amount of christian centered music over the years", as if they're completely ignoring the fact that they released a LOT of Christian metal and they themselves created a great deal of it.
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Post by kimmo on Aug 27, 2015 11:38:15 GMT -6
Thanks for the links guys! Gotta check them out.
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Post by Kerrick on Aug 27, 2015 12:49:58 GMT -6
Thanks DS!
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Post by kimmo on Sept 3, 2015 5:53:51 GMT -6
I am thinking about ordering few of the christian releases from the label, but I was wondering if the cdr's have lyrics in them? Cos if they dont and the covers are crappy, I might as well download them from the labels bandcamp and burn them on cdr myself
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Post by Kerrick on Sept 3, 2015 10:08:59 GMT -6
I don't think any of their albums have lyrics in them... They're all CDr's. If you're not buying them for the sake of collecting or having physical copies... I'd recommend just going digital.
Which ones are you considering? My favorites are Flaskavsae and Erasmus.
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Post by drawnsword on Sept 3, 2015 16:47:34 GMT -6
Yeah there has never been any lyrics printed in the CD covers, pretty stupid really as we had to take there word it was unblack. I asked for the lyric's of LSP,Agathothodion and Flaskavsae plenty of times and was told "i'll have to dig them up" or "they are too personal". I definately do not understand acts putting out material without lyrics when the vocals are indecipherable, especially when claiming to be unblack, Christian or having a message. I mean why do they bother even having vocals then, go and record the wind at the sea cliffs or a monkey in the jungle?
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Post by kimmo on Sept 4, 2015 7:09:57 GMT -6
Yeah there has never been any lyrics printed in the CD covers, pretty stupid really as we had to take there word it was unblack. I asked for the lyric's of LSP,Agathothodion and Flaskavsae plenty of times and was told "i'll have to dig them up" or "they are too personal". I definately do not understand acts putting out material without lyrics when the vocals are indecipherable, especially when claiming to be unblack, Christian or having a message. I mean why do they bother even having vocals then, go and record the wind at the sea cliffs or a monkey in the jungle? Pretty much how I feel about this stuff as well. There are too many bands nowdays in general who dont care about lyrics enough to put them available. Especially this is weird in the hardcore and punk scene where lyrics are supposed to matter even more.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 4, 2015 15:57:55 GMT -6
I asked for the lyric's of LSP,Agathothodion and Flaskavsae plenty of times and was told "i'll have to dig them up" or "they are too personal". I definately do not understand acts putting out material without lyrics when the vocals are indecipherable, especially when claiming to be unblack, Christian or having a message. I totally agree, but I wouldn't even limit that to Christian bands. I still feel suspicious when secular bands don't have lyrics posted anywhere. ...not that I'm worried its "evil", (yeah yeah yeah, I'm sure it is LOL) I'm suspicious because they're probably hiding the lyrics because they're STUPID, because what I mishear certainly is!
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Post by drawnsword on Sept 4, 2015 21:53:07 GMT -6
^ that made me laugh hard. And yeah good points both of you, it kind of gives the impression its not that serious and we have nothing at all to say really, we are simple and boring and ashamed of ourselves or we are so private we thought we would just release the song for ourselves. If Quest For Serenity can fit all the lyrics for his albums on one side of a CD panel, then what is the excuse? have a 2 sided insert etc.
Forgot to mention that some of the Flaskavsae and LSP recordings lyrics are said to be taken straight from scripture with the book and ref quoted.
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Post by kimmo on Sept 5, 2015 7:24:47 GMT -6
Exactly, very good points, guys! I so tired of people not caring about lyrics. Misheard lyrics -videos are pretty hilarious indeed!
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Post by archdukeofmetal on Sept 5, 2015 15:44:01 GMT -6
I can see both sides to it. Generally, when I pen lyrics, they are always something personal, and dear to me. Whether it be blunt as all hell, or hidden in metaphors. But, there have been times when I didn't feel I wanted to have the lyrics read, because interpretation can be a bitch.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 5, 2015 17:16:19 GMT -6
HEADS UP - PROFANITY BELOW
I never wanted to NOT have the lyrics posted because "interpretation can be a bitch".
This was years ago, but I got in some hot water with the dude from Kohllapse. I had an album reviews site at the time and reviewed his debut. I thought in one of the songs he said "fuck me". Naturally, I thought that was concerning to have in a Christian song, especially in context to what the song was about. I swore that's what he said - listened to those couple seconds like 20 times. He posted the lyrics in his insert, but some lines were missing as to what he said in some songs and this was a stand-alone quite vocal part.
I mentioned this concern in my review.
He e-mailed me (I'll never forget the subject, it was "excuse me??????????????") and said that he said "from pain" or something like that, but didn't post his lyrics to what he sang verbatim because it would have "sounded stupid" to read like that.
My rebuttal... yeah, it would have sounded stupid to read a random "from pain" in the lyrics like that, but at least I wouldn't have thought you said "fuck me" in your track.
...and then I took so many antihistamines that I thought I was Mr. Peanut. Cool story, huh?
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Post by archdukeofmetal on Sept 6, 2015 10:59:00 GMT -6
Huh...I don't understand posting part of them.
There's an easy solution, don't write bad lyrics.
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Post by kimmo on Sept 9, 2015 8:26:34 GMT -6
Hah, yeah, and if you write crappy lyrics why not skip them altogether?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 9, 2015 11:10:31 GMT -6
Hah, yeah, and if you write crappy lyrics why not skip them altogether? I skipped lyrics all together for 4 albums by one project. There's a double edged sword with not having lyrics / vocals at all. Some people get very bored with instrumental.
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