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Post by Kerrick on Sept 29, 2015 23:05:31 GMT -6
Hey guys, Benjamin has been waiting pretty patiently for a firm yes/no. We need to have an agreement on the title of the zine and a list of contributors with their commitments. Being that we had just started casting visions/ideas out for this, to me it seems like maybe we as a group aren't quite ready to commit yet. I'm still trying to figure out what my role/involvement level would be, as there may be some big changes for me this upcoming year. Though it sounds like some of us are ready to get going on this right away. I'm thinking this: if you're ready to commit now, post so here, but contact Benjamin at www.facebook.com/rottingantichrist?pnref=lhc. That way he/you can get things going right away. If not, also post so here (and why) so we all know where each other stands, and perhaps we can continue formulating just what we want to see from this and assess later down the road how Rotting Antichrist (or whatever new name it may take on) aligns with that/we align with it. I dunno, sound good?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 4:41:22 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't think I'm ready to fully commit to this.
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Post by kimmo on Sept 30, 2015 6:50:53 GMT -6
Personally, I could do an occasional interview, but other than that it is hard for me to say cos it depends on what direction the whole project is gonna take. But if you want interviews on finnish bands, just ask me. Its hard for me to say anything else at this point.
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Post by Deepfriar on Oct 1, 2015 6:55:15 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind to do an occasional album review but I don't have a TON of time to commit. If you can wait 32 years I'll be 65 and (hopefully) retire and have lots of free time.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 13, 2015 8:23:57 GMT -6
Any news?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 18, 2015 14:07:49 GMT -6
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Post by Kerrick on Nov 18, 2015 14:14:40 GMT -6
Benjamin and I talked on the phone a while ago and agreed that now (rather, then) wasn't the right time yet. Most of us here weren't ready or able to commit yet, nor had we really fleshed out exactly what it was that we wanted it to be.
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Post by drawnsword on Nov 18, 2015 19:08:23 GMT -6
Zines need to be done by one person as a passion project, D.I.Y. and there's no complications or hold ups.
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Post by kimmo on Nov 25, 2015 8:50:40 GMT -6
I guess there needs to be one bossfigure that does the compiling and is responsible for the zine coming out, thats how the longest running finnish punk -zine has worked for about 25 years now. Still, there has always been submissions, records reviews and the like for every issue. Of course this zine in question didnt set out to come out regularily as very few zines tend to go that way, but as things started to get more steady financially, the zine has came out approximately 3-5 times a year. There were times when the publishing pace was stronger but that is easier to fix if you do not have people ordering it regularily. And even if you would make it so that one can order it, you can always charge per issue. If there would be like ten people who would be willing to contribute at least to every second number, that would be easier. I for one, like I said, would gladly cover the finnish scene. The so called "scene" is limited when it comes to christian stuff, but if we would make "What a secular band thinks about God and stuff" -type of interviews, I think I could get some interesting ones from some folks. That is if I dont get kicked in the face if I try to interview more of the die-hard black metal bands Though of course even with those bands things arent always what they seem. I can also ask advise to people who have been doing it longer. My friend does this zine called "Ajatuksen Valo" and its awesome. Sorry, its in finnish, but it covers everything from hardcore punk to black metal, sludge, doom and even finnish schlager -music But he has his own approach to all and he does quite good and intelligent interview. If you wanna peek, here is his webpages: thetrveavzine.wordpress.com/julkaistut-numerot/avzine.bigcartel.com/www.facebook.com/AVZINE/timeline?ref=page_internal
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 25, 2015 14:53:53 GMT -6
It makes sense that one person would need to do the "paperwork", but I can't imagine one dude doing all the reviews, interviews, etc. ....unless he could afford the time and/or was that passionate.
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Post by kimmo on Nov 26, 2015 6:40:41 GMT -6
It makes sense that one person would need to do the "paperwork", but I can't imagine one dude doing all the reviews, interviews, etc. ....unless he could afford the time and/or was that passionate. Totally, thats why there would have to be strong enough reserve for that stuff so that if someone does not make it for a certain issue there would be enough to fill them in.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 4, 2016 10:20:32 GMT -6
No updates for a while now. Sounds like this got lost in the shuffle...
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Post by visionofGodrecords on Mar 4, 2017 9:55:27 GMT -6
Honestly we have thought about doing a in print and online magazine... We just dont have the time with everything we have going on. But we could contribute stuff non stop to ensure publications continue
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 30, 2018 14:15:35 GMT -6
I've been thinking about this lately - especially since the Orationem book actually happened. Where I got the Orationem Book of Prayers made, I had to download their software to compile the book, the way they needed it to make it. I've already got all production learning curves down. ...at least the 5" x 8" "travel book" size they have, which is a good size I think for a Zine as well. There's a USPS shipping option specifically for books, but the lowest it goes is $2.66 anywhere in the US (I know I charge $2 for shipping my books but I don't care about 66 cents) If I can sell a 56 page book for $10 including shipping and not eat cost, I'm pretty confident that a 20-30 page "zine" that releases a few times a year, could be a $5 item. Maybe less. My interest in moving forward with this (Christian extreme metal zine) is based on what's underground. Sorry to say it, but the last thing I'd want featured is stuff on Horde, or Antestor or Crimson Moonlight - projects that if they've ever heard of Christian black metal, they already know of these front-runners. I've got mixed feelings on this being JUST Christian black metal or all Christian extreme metal. Obviously, if I've got my hand in this - I'd want to shy away from the term "unblack". I also would be much more interested if I wasn't doing this all myself / had others to help with interviews/reviews/content/etc. Thoughts?
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Dec 30, 2018 15:01:05 GMT -6
Seems interesting! I'd be willing to contribute stuff, depending what you're looking for!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 30, 2018 15:09:42 GMT -6
Seems interesting! I'd be willing to contribute stuff, depending what you're looking for! I am 100% confident that you would have any information that would be needed. XD Obviously if this is ever to be a thing, and this thing would have "a staff" (more than just one person) - it would also need a name....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 16:14:46 GMT -6
I would be very happy to contribute reviews!
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Post by Kaiheijinshu on Dec 30, 2018 16:28:45 GMT -6
The name of the forum could work for the title. Perhaps something like “Holy Dissonance” or some such. On the other hand, something a bit more “kvlt” such as “Sanguine Chalice”, “Flesh-God Cult” or “Angelic Shriek” could also work.
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Post by _ on Dec 30, 2018 16:35:57 GMT -6
YES! My 'like' of your message for the content, but my 'YES!' is for the necrothreading and pic. I am 100% confident that you would have any information that would be needed. XD nocturnaliridescence um, yes x infinity. I would be very happy to contribute reviews! Your reviews are dope. Do you have time though -- I thought college didn't leave room for reviews and such? Angelic Shrek*, probably.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Dec 30, 2018 18:13:29 GMT -6
Angelic Shrek*, probably. If we name our zine anything involving Shrek, I'm quitting the forum. I really really like the idea of naming the zine something dark and kvlt, but I feel like it wouldn't be quite... "accurate"? The amount of kvlt types in this scene is... low. We definitely have our reclusive weirdo introverts (*COUGH*) but it seems the majority of this scene is more "regular people" who like the black metal style. "Holy Dissonance" is a good balance, I think. It's obscure enough that reading it makes me feel all kvlt inside, but it's normal-sounding enough that it shouldn't scare people away. -- Keeping in mind that we have different goals than the 2nd wave, and thus scaring people away is not something we would ideally want.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 22:26:58 GMT -6
Your reviews are dope. Do you have time though -- I thought college didn't leave room for reviews and such? I think so. I could find time, especially if this thing is only getting released a few times a year.
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Post by Bartimaeus on Dec 31, 2018 8:30:15 GMT -6
How would you all feel about keeping it indie vs supporting an existing ministry like CMU? I would like to keep it independent to keep from conflict of interest, but (huge but) if one wanted to partner with Duane and CMU (just an example, Nosral?) one could theoretically build a bigger fanbase for these underground artists. Heck, it could feature interviews done by NI via FB Just a thought... I am totally behind this and would be willing to contribute what I could.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 31, 2018 9:34:10 GMT -6
The name of the forum could work for the title. Yes, The Blackest Light would be a decent zine name, but since the "main idea" of this forum is CBM - I would think a different name would be needed for covering other genres in the underground. I kind of like the idea of these terms: "underground" "extreme" "Christian music" If we have "metal" as a descriptor, we'd need a caveat to include coverage of grind, noise or other genres - which I think would also be a good fit for this publication. I think it would be best to use whatever terms bands call themselves (unblack, black, death, something-core, etc.) and just stick to "the extreme Christian music underground" (TECMU? LOL) as what this zine is. @crimsonwarrior is awesome at reviews. So is nocturnaliridescence. ...but something I was praying about last night, I think there can be a fine line between "reviewing" an album, and "promoting a band/project". I would actually lean more towards the promotion aspect since I would want this publication to only help projects in the scene. Bartimaeus has a great point too. Partnering with CMU and/or other underground labels would help. I checked the various rates of where I got my books made. It looks like 1 to 24 pages has a flat rate of $2.99 per "book" - it don't get any lower. Past 24 pages, cost increases per page, and of course, that cost multiplies with having multiple copies made. Since book shipping at its lowest is $2.66 - this zine would be in the red if a total of $5 was charged.... unless financing came from elsewhere. Donations? Having projects/labels pay for promotion? I don't know at this point... Another hurdle could be artwork. Black and white is often interpreted as "grayscale" which actually wouldn't work unless cost increases once again... Literally, all artwork would need to be a black and white threshold only - but I can vouch with the artwork in the Orationem Book of Prayers - it can be pulled off quite nicely.
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Post by Borndead on Dec 31, 2018 12:10:46 GMT -6
last thing I'd want featured is stuff on Horde, or Antestor or Crimson Moonlight Couldn´t agree more on this. Another hurdle could be artwork. I could help out with artwork and layout, I don´t know what the rates are for full color but if it´s a 3-4 times a year deal, I doubt it would be to hight. Also promotion wouldn´t be to much of a problem, I used to run a webzine and it went really well but I got overburdened with the work load, so there´s definitely a demand. I wouldn't make "a name" the priority but rather construct a concrete plan and then when the project is in move we can think of a name.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 31, 2018 15:04:23 GMT -6
I wouldn't make "a name" the priority but rather construct a concrete plan and then when the project is in move we can think of a name. I don't like the idea that cost would be a priority, but it unfortunately is. I'm reluctant to finalize a layout, just to get stuck because "we" aren't in a position to come up with over $100 to get 50 made. I'd REALLY like to see this be something to where its essentially a free publication. ...like if stores included one for free in orders they shipped out, people that wanted one, just pay for the shipment to you, etc. I don't know if a gofundme type thing would be the best approach for funding? I don't know if there could be a rate to charge projects for being promoted? (which they may be reluctant to do so for "issue #1" since its just starting) Still a lot of i-don't-know's. ....I will say this though, I feel like this is a step closer to being a reality, in simply knowing HOW these could be made, and they'd look great.
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Post by _ on Dec 31, 2018 16:20:31 GMT -6
If we name our zine anything involving Shrek, I'm quitting the forum. Mmmmhm. Well then. How would you all feel about keeping it indie vs supporting an existing ministry like CMU? Yeah, that's an interesting question. I wrote down some thoughts and then subsequently deleted them because they weren't really helpful; I'm also going back and forth in my mind on what option would be better. unless financing came from elsewhere. Donations? Historically, where has financial support come from in the general Christian metal music ministry scene? Have there ever been financial backers of projects, labels, benefit concerts, etc.? More fodder for naming would be TBL's compilation 'Hymns of the Blackest Light' -- not sure if someone already brought that up. "Hymnals of the Blackest Light," if you will. (<--joke, but nevertheless we might still play off of name of a product already associated with TBL).
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 1, 2019 9:22:44 GMT -6
Historically, where has financial support come from in the general Christian metal music ministry scene? I can only speak from personal experience and personal observations. If a project/label wants something released/published, they pay for it themselves... out of pocket... at their own risk. Its a risk worth taking if the music is good.
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Post by _ on Jan 1, 2019 9:41:58 GMT -6
Historically, where has financial support come from in the general Christian metal music ministry scene? I can only speak from personal experience and personal observations. If a project/label wants something released/published, they pay for it themselves... out of pocket... at their own risk. Its a risk worth taking if the music is good. I don't want to sidetrack the thread too much with musings, but this is ... unfortunate. How many other ministries and even just Christian creative work get backed from somewhere? Mmm, yuck. (Something I've been thinking for a few plus years now is trying to get something together (idk what, nonprofit, philanthropy) once I have a decent income that could help in these financial ways...)
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Post by drawnsword on Jan 6, 2019 16:27:23 GMT -6
When Matt (Blood Drift vocalist) and i started Untombed zine (6 issues were published) we thought of asking a record label to fund it and give them free advertising and the distribution of it. We chose between Nokternal Hemizphear (Metal Helm) and Open Grave / Sullen ( Divine metal Distro). DMD offered to print it and give it free with there orders in return we would get free cds to review.(also i was meant to paid for the artwork in CD's which i had to constantly chase up. Turned out way down the track DMD was a MASSIVE RIP OFF merchant) James Mattern of DMD set us up a secret editorial forum on blabberboard to organize who's doing what reviews and interviews each issue, and then a place to upload ready content. From this experience many did not follow through with there promised contributions at all or very little and others did'nt stick it out long/ many issues. This is why i say if you do a zine, do it yourself by being prepared to do it all your self and if others contribute its all good. Maybe this will spark an idea of how to get funded in a win win situation.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 13, 2019 9:19:22 GMT -6
*shutters* He's ripped off a lot of people, including myself. Luckily it was not like some people who paid for CDs and he never sent them.... for me it was I sent him CDs and he never paid for them. This is why i say if you do a zine, do it yourself by being prepared to do it all your self and if others contribute its all good. Maybe this will spark an idea of how to get funded in a win win situation. That's a good point, friend. Its not like I'd ever rip myself off.
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