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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 9:49:07 GMT -6
WE ALL KNOW that the bible says that no man knows the day nor the hour right? So why do people continue to try. I came across a video, hidden behind a different title. Meaning you click on a link thinking a news story and get a how to survive end times video. This video claims that WW3 and the "fall of babylon" will happen before January 1 2017. Claiming that russia has a emp weapon that will destroy all electronics and then we get invaded by Russia and lots of others etc. Then tries to sell you a kit to survive and tells you that if you don't buy this kit you will not survive and therefore won't be "SAVED" and get to see the return of Christ. The problems I have with it is that it is naming dates, going against what the bible teaches, it tries to tell you that you are not a "TRUE" Christian if you don't "heed" this video and buy the kit and that if you don't buy the kit it is insinuated that you won't go to heaven. How sick do these people have to be to try to use such tactics to take people's money.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 13:05:05 GMT -6
for anyone who wishes to know what video I was talking about here is the info that was being read on the video aliveafterthefall.com/vy-dp/In addition here is the video
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 13:08:18 GMT -6
Now I will say this I am not saying that events like this won't happen as I believe that at some point they will. But I AM saying that TOO many of these websites are trying to use the bible to put a date or timeline on things and they try to use that info to pocket your money in their bank accounts. No man Know the Date or time and to insinuate that if you don't purchase their so called survival pact that you are not a true Christian and will somehow miss out on Heaven and being with God is flat out false doctrine.
I ONLY posted the link and video so you could see what I am talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 15:38:05 GMT -6
Yeah, no man knows the day or hour.
It's tiring watching all these people try to predict it.
I don't consider such things most of the time. I'd rather live my life today as if He was coming back at any time!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 8, 2015 15:47:25 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing Larry. Sounds sick bro - scammy for sure. Saying if you don't buy the kit or prepare for their prediction that we're not saved is a low blow. I'm tempted to ask them how much I could sue them for if I buy their product and they're wrong. It might be a smart move financially for us! ____________________ While I agree that no one knows when Christ will return, as he's coming like a "thief in the night", I think someone ***might*** have an idea or know something regarding a major world disaster or major world event. That's different from the end of the world though. I've seen a lot of talk about solar flairs from the sun - which have a natural EMP effect to them and one big one (like what already happened on earth in the 1500's) would wipe out all modern technology as we know it. Not to veer too off course, but I've heard that 2017 is the year of alien disclosure. Also, the old book of Alien Races (that the soviet union SMERSH soldiers had in the mid 40's) stated that in 2022, a race of aliens called the "Dries" (which have already abducted some people) were going to introduce themselves to us. I'm not saying those situations are true, but... its a source and a possibility?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 17:18:14 GMT -6
Tom you should watch this video while it is long and while I think they are for sure false prophets it is interesting. I mean I don't doubt that Russia COULD have such a weapon to pretty much end all tech, well most of it, from the USA and I don't doubt that a Red Dawn situation could exist in the future but to try to say that it will happen before Obama leaves office and that it is predicted in the bible is IMO a bit off of what the bible is actually saying. Either way Ravenwolf is right we should live as if Christ will comeback TODAY and do so EVERYDAY.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 8, 2015 18:08:43 GMT -6
I will watch it. Just not today. 12 hour shift today. ...have to get up at 5am for work tomorrow... I'll get to it tomorrow after work though.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 10, 2015 6:32:24 GMT -6
I watched this after work. I didn't see any mention of not being a true Christian if you don't buy their program - but it did go as far as to say that you'll be the 80% of America that won't survive the attack if you don't have the program.
I took a little time to research this yesterday, and an EMP blast would certainly put the US back into the 1800's. The military is preparing for this sort of thing (google NORAD) so we won't be entirely crippled. (though if it happens today, all civilians will be without power)
I don't think the US is putting this at high alert because (I forget where I read this but) but if someone put explosives on 3 major "electricity stations" and blew up the only transmitter factory, it would make the US without power for 18 months.
I would think if Russia were after us, they would take this approach, rather than the billions of dollars more developing a EMP detonator?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 15:36:55 GMT -6
I watched this after work. I didn't see any mention of not being a true Christian if you don't buy their program - but it did go as far as to say that you'll be the 80% of America that won't survive the attack if you don't have the program. I took a little time to research this yesterday, and an EMP blast would certainly put the US back into the 1800's. The military is preparing for this sort of thing (google NORAD) so we won't be entirely crippled. (though if it happens today, all civilians will be without power) I don't think the US is putting this at high alert because (I forget where I read this but) but if someone put explosives on 3 major "electricity stations" and blew up the only transmitter factory, it would make the US without power for 18 months. I would think if Russia were after us, they would take this approach, rather than the billions of dollars more developing a EMP detonator? No they didn't say word for word that but it was very much insinuated that "true Christian" would buy this which to me is an insinuation that if you don't you aren't. Which is just wrong. I have other issues with this video as well. It tries to make the links that somehow they are the two kings in prophecy that will go to war. the New Babylon is to be attacked from the North and to try to connect those dots they said if you drew a line north of the USA it would take you OVER the North Pole and then to Russia. They are right but Russia is south of the North Pole putting them on the same plane as The USA on the other side of the world not NORTH of the USA. It seemed to me that they TWISTED a LOT the bible to try ot make the claim that they were making. The point of the EMP would be to leave the USA vunerable to nuclear and every other type of attack from all sides from Russia, China, North Korea etc. I don't doubt that a war like this could happen with those people against the USA. But is the USA "really" the new babylon? Could be but could also not be. I don't think the bible really says where babylon will be rebuilt. Also The whole putting a date or time line on it tells me it won't happen, at least not like or when they say. I would put more stock into Obama just taking over as dictator and suspending Elections indefinitely and bringing in isis to kill Christians way before what this video is claiming.
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Post by drawnsword on Nov 10, 2015 16:33:15 GMT -6
I am still revisiting and researching, testing and studying scripture and history in regards to the Endtimes, however it is interesting to note that in Ancient Israel they had watchmen watching for the new moon so they could mark a new month in keeping with the Covenant Feasts. What the watchmen were looking for was the very first slither of a new moon and that first slither could only happen (unpredictably) somewhere within the hours of a 2 day frame. Yahshua taught that we should watch and pray because we dont know the day and hour of his coming, but he never said we would not know the season or even the month.
In fact there is a sign that will mark the very end time season very clearly. The book of The Revelation tells us there will be a great earthquake felt over the whole Earth like never before, the sun will be darkened and the moon will turn to blood. The sea will be roaring and there will be great distress among the nations and terrible signs in the heavens. Having that great earthquake as a starting point, Days might be difficult to be measured in time from that point with the advents of propchey that follow ie the shortning of days and the sun being darkened but if possible not down to the the day and hour.
I dont believe the rapture is revealed in scripture. I do believe the second coming of Yahshua happens right before the Great and Terrible Day of Wrath.
There also is alot of false endtime predictions based on Israel becoming a nation in 1948 (as a countdown date /clock). And if you research this properly you will find this is a great deception brought about about by secret wealthy world powers with an evil agenda.
The 7 day/ 7000 years dispensationalism thing might be a wrong understanding also, perhaps YAH's clock is measured from when he first created the Heavens and the Earth and not since Adam.
Yahshua is building his Church and the gates of hell cannot prevail against it because it is a Spiritual House, and a Holy Nation and His Body where he GETS to be the Head, not man. Not a special land Nation or a special building with a steeple on top. Pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming on the earth. As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man.
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Post by Deepfriar on Nov 22, 2015 12:33:50 GMT -6
I believe a person if they wish can know the season yes but not the day or hour. Just haven't studied end of time prophecy in a while but I did study for quite a while at one point and I was convinced that if indeed Revelation is to be interpreted with futurist method then I believe pre-millenial post-tribulation.
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