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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 24, 2015 19:19:00 GMT -6
This video isn't what I thought it was going to be... It started out WTF but it really started to make me think once he started presenting facts/data. Especially with GPS and flights in the southern hemisphere in the world.
Stay with it - its actually pretty good. The "hiding God" part isn't until later.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 15:39:14 GMT -6
I saw exactly 3 seconds and when I saw Your guide to the Flat Earth I turned it off. The fact is that it HAS been proven that the earth is NOT flat. There is video as well as photo's from space from the moon etc. Not to mention that it would be impossible for airplanes to fly from Japan to California under the flat earth theory as if the earth were flat the planes would simply fall of the earth or disappear. In order to get from Japan to California you would have to fly literally all the way the other direction, which we know is not the case. Not to mention that this video is two hours so since I think the people who follow this flat earth theology are a bunch of nut jobs anyway why would I subject myself that that stuff. Plus the whole thing you mention about them supposedly hiding God with lies? NOBODY can HIDE God. They either believe or they don't but God can't be hidden. I did watch one video with these claims once and their OWN video evidence to claim that the new york horizon proved it was flat actually proved them wrong. If the earth were flat then why did we see the buildings in that video, the one I actually watched, from the middle of the building up? If it were really flat we would have seen the sidewalk in front of it. So they can't even prove their point without proving themselves wrong.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 25, 2015 22:47:56 GMT -6
LOL everything you're mentioning, the video explains bro. It's totally contempt prior to investigation! I'm not saying I'm signed up as a flat earth believer, but seriously, 3 seconds and you've already got a two page rebuttal?
The easiest way to instantly prove the earth is round is a picture of the earth from space, right?
Show me ONE photo or video of the ENTIRE earth from space THAT IS NOT A COMPOSITE or an ARTIST RENDERING. Seriously. Just one.
If you're not going to look, no sense in saying I'm wrong. Again, I'm not saying I believe the earth is flat. ...but if you do look, you'll probably have the same question.
Out of all the moon and space missions, why is there NOT ONE REAL picture or video of the earth from space?
Doesn't that seem odd to you? Or do you have your mind made up again already?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 26, 2015 0:31:18 GMT -6
Not to mention that it would be impossible for airplanes to fly from Japan to California under the flat earth theory as if the earth were flat the planes would simply fall of the earth or disappear. Again as stated in the video, you'd see diagrams of what they've theorized is where. Check the southern hemisphere. Like New Zealand to Brazil. Looking at a globe, it should be over a body of water and you're there, right? Pull up any travel site and see where the flights take you. If you calculate flight speed and distance, it should be a 12 hour flight... ...yet through all the Google bait, it's near impossible to book a straight flight. Everything takes like 35 hours or more. Why? Why is it that the only proof that the earth is round is some dude's math problem from aeons ago? Why do we think we know what's in the center of the earth? The deepest anyone has EVER dug is 8 miles. I know I just have questions and no answers, and I'm pretty agnostic about all this, but I'm not the type to just believe whatever just because standardized education told it to me as a child. Yeah yeah yeah, the earth is round, I evolved from a monkey, everything started from a giant space fart - I don't have FAITH in science. I want to see proof.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 8:09:50 GMT -6
Well the stuff you just said are the same things that are in this other video that I watched and it is all hogwash. I googled and found picture after picture of the moon, earth, space station etc. and posted to the idiot behind the video that I saw and you know what they said they were all photo shopped. Pretty funny since there was no photo shop in the 60's there is all kinds of video footage as well as photo's from years of space flight and the space station and much more. The explaination that I have seen on flight is flat out crap. According to them a plane flight leaving california to go to Japan would have to fly over Kansas, New York, Europe, Russia, China and THEN arrive in Japan. Yet that is not how planes fly from Califorina to Japan. When Japan attacked pearl harbour they flew straight from Japan to Hawaii. Now under this flat earth theory of how to fly planes that would be impossible as if the earth were flat they could not fly that direction. All of their explainations of how things supposedly really work is itself nothing more than a bunch of made up hogwash by liberal wacko's to try to themselves discredit God. And read the bible it states the earth as a sphere. Couldn't be both and sphere and flat now could it? I really can't believe that you would of all people even think of buying into this idiotic new age theology that was created by a guy who is an Atheist. Just do some back ground checking on this Flat Earth stuff and you will see that it is just a bunch of bunk by Atheists trying to use it to disprove God and the funny thing is that all they do is make themselves look stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 8:17:00 GMT -6
Here is the video I watched. The way you describe the video that you posted above it is the same info. False info at that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 8:29:11 GMT -6
And again MAN CAN NOT HIDE GOD. THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO to HIDE God. Mankind can simply ignore him but it can't HIDE Him. And yes I get riled up by these false theologies like this flat earth crap.
Look all I am saying is that this is just another in a long line of false theologies and doctrines etc that have been developed by atheists or satanists or flat out deceived people to try to distract mankind from the REAL TRUTH. That real truth being Jesus Christ the son of God. The more of these retarded theologies that come out the more people fall for them. The more people who fall for them the more people who turn from God. The more who turn from God the more who end up in Hell. But of course that is why Universalism was created. As a Way to show that there is no hell so that no one can go there. And of course there is the once saved always saved which was created so that people could not turn from God. Which of course just reading the bible will disprove BOTH. The bible also disproves the flat earth theory as well.
Man Christians really have to start leaning on God right NOW or soon Christians won't exist at all. Because too many are falling for the very false doctrines that the bible warns us about in the end times.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 26, 2015 8:56:18 GMT -6
Larry, its totally cool with me if you disagree, but no sense throwing around words like "retarded", "hogwash", "nut jobs", "idiot", "flat out crap", "wacko's" regarding a theory.
Does that mean I'm a retarded nut job idiot wacko who's full of crap and hogwash because I'm listening to it and maybe considering it? That's how to piss people of man. In fact, you've pissed me off for saying those things.
I know you don't subscribe to conspiracies like some people do, but there's no reason to disrespect.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 9:05:03 GMT -6
Larry, its totally cool with me if you disagree, but no sense throwing around words like "retarded", "hogwash", "nut jobs", "idiot", "flat out crap", "wacko's" regarding a theory. Does that mean I'm a retarded nut job idiot wacko who's full of crap and hogwash because I'm listening to it and maybe considering it? That's how to piss people of man. In fact, you've pissed me off for saying those things. I know you don't subscribe to conspiracies like some people do, but there's no reason to disrespect. My intention is not to offend you but to make you aware that these theories are designed to do nothing than to distract people from and take them away from God. It is the people who came up with these theories who are the nutjobs etc. My disrepect is not towards you but towards the theories themselves that take people away from the truth of Christ. And yes this flat earth stuff IS flat out crap and has not only been proven wrong by science but also by the bible.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 26, 2015 9:58:12 GMT -6
Disrespecting something false still leaves you disrespecting. Hating evil still leaves you hating.
If someone started a conversation with me about how Christianity is "retarded", but then says I'm not "retarded" for believing it... ...how excluded is that really? My opinion, it would be completely different if they disagreed with it vs saying its retarded. You can insult people by proxy if you insult something they invest in mentally, spiritually or emotionally.
If you tell someone lost that what they believe is full of crap, what chance do you think you have of bringing them to Christ after insulting them? Come on man. ___________________________
There's actually science to prove the earth is round AND flat, so I don't think we can use those methods.
You say the Bible says the earth is a sphere? Then why are there verses that say the earth has corners (Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1) and the earth has ends (Job 38:13, Jeremiah 16:19, Daniel 4:11) Spheres don't have corners and ends dude.
Last but not least, I know you're not watching the video - but the guy who made it was a detractor of a flat earth until he looked into it. If he's not a Christian, he certainly supports the idea of God and pushed God talk quite a bit later in the video. The video starts out with our first attempt in space and what us and the Russians ran into up there. Literally ran into. Also, what we ran into in Antartica.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 10:15:19 GMT -6
www.eternal-productions.org/PDFS/articles/Does%20the%20Bible%20Teach%20a%20Spherical%20Earth.pdfAgain not trying to insult at all. I have simply found the flat earth to be false theology and no ACTUALLY evidence what so ever to prove it. I have found any video that I have seen about it to be not only full of mis information but also to disprove their OWN THEORY within their video trying to prove it. Now if one could prove that the earth is flat without disproving it at the same time then that would be quite the revelation. Not to mention that when you look in space with a telescope you can visibly see all of the things that the flat earth theory claims are nothing more than made up cgi by nasa. Now exactly HOW can nasa put cgi fake things in space that can be seen clearly with a telescope? If this whole thing with the moon landing and the sun and planets and the stars were simply made up things that nasa put together with cgi, which didn't exist in the 1960's what so ever, then why can we see them with our telescopes? Why can I go in my back yard and see these so called made up things? If there is nothing out there then how is it that Meteorites fall to earth? I mean if they are just fake cgi how are they there? Can you see how their theory just DOESN'T ADD UP. And you still haven't explained how mankind can simply hide God. They can't That in and of itself the simple claim that anyone can hide God should tell you that it just simply is a video that has no basis in truth. I very much doubt it as I have better things to do that watch a video that pretty much tells me that my faith in God is a lie but IF BY SOME DEMISE OF MY BETTER JUDGEMENT I actually were to watch that video I would be able to see the SAME false teachings in it that were in the one that I did actually subject myself to and I would also see something in it that actually would disprove the very thing they are trying to prove. We will just have to disagree on this one and really this is now a deadhorse topic and probably should be closed. You and I are the only ones that have a stake in it and we are on opposite sides of it. Which really makes me sad.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 26, 2015 11:13:14 GMT -6
You do realize that document shows a verse that people use to show the sun revolves around the earth, right? This video is NOT just about a flat earth. Larry, the video talks about how when mankind first went into space, they found PROOF of DESIGN. Rather than "Hey everyone, we were wrong, this is what we found" and the different religions saying "OUR God built it", they just keep putting globes in classrooms and releasing composites. ....thus, HIDING the TRUTH of GOD and keeping our knowledge like it was in the early 1950's. I don't know where you're getting flat earth = doesn't believe in God. Again, the video is PRO GOD and is attempting to show His design. I'm well aware of Isaiah 40:22 regarding the circle of the earth. That makes sense in a flat earth concept as well: We're not on opposite sides regarding the earth being round or flat - it has nothing to do with my salvation and I already said I DO NOT subscribe to believing in a flat earth. The REAL "opposing sides" is, that I'm reviewing (and willing to review) evidence with an open mind - you're not only dismissing evidence without even looking at it, but insulting it. (and by proxy, insulting those who outright believe, contemplate or don't believe but even LISTEN to it) This difference goes beyond this topic/video. Its true that disregarding EVERYTHING without investigation keeps you safe from deception, but it will keep you lacking knowledge, information and awareness in general. Its not just EVIL out there - TRUTH and God are out there too. Its not a deadhorse topic. The thread is about the VIDEO and its contents. I understand not having the time for a 2 hour video, but haven't even discussed the original post. The thread will stay open because anyone who even reviewed the first 20 minutes will at least have the correct context.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 20:41:44 GMT -6
Tom the people who created the flat earth society and it's theories are Atheists. That right there is enough to tell you that their intent is to turn believers into non believers with their theory. So how or why would a Christian even want to help to try to prove that theory? That makes this video suspect as well. Then the fact that it stats about hiding God, which again CAN'T BE DONE. A person can refuse to see him or refuse to acknowledge him or refuse to share him with others but a person can't hide him. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE. By stating that the video says people went into space in and of itself tells you again that these people are contradicting themselves. They say you can't go into space and it is all faked by Nasa then turns around and tells you what they "found in space"? That is just as contradictory as showing the skyline of new york and drawing a line on it to try to show it is flat even when you can't see the ground that the building sits on, which you would be able to do if they were right. The most concerning info about this video is that it seems to be a Christian promoting an Atheist's theory. That is like a Pastor promoting and trying to prove Darwin right. Why would a person of God even WANT to try to prove a theology created and put out there by people who are totally opposed to Christians. Yes Creation can be seen in Space, it can also be seen on earth and everywhere. God created Earth, Moon, Sun, Planets, Asteroids, Comets, Nebula's, galaxies and everything else as well. The flat earth theory DENIES THAT ANY OF THAT EXISTS, other than the moon earth and sun. I have seen all the theories claiming how a plane couldn't land if the earth were really as it is, a sphere, and I have seen all the theories claiming that if the earth were really spinning, like it is, that we would be thrown out into space etc etc etc. They ALL ignore the fact that God placed an atmosphere above us and that it moves with the earth. What makes this a dead horse topic isn't that there may be a few who buy into this video's claims, those being the ones who pretty much buy into every conspiracy theory that there is. But the fact that the only ones talking about it is me and you. You find it interesting and a possibility and I find it not only not possible but also not biblical. You will never agree with me on this video and I will never agree with you on it, and for that matter don't even want to watch it because I could tell in just seconds that it would contain the SAME false info I saw on the video that I posted, which was made by one of the biggest supporters, if not member, of the flat earth society and very much an atheist as well, like the vast majorty of flat earthers are. So since I have already viewed this information why would I really want to watch it again, just by a different person? en.es-static.us/upl/2013/12/iss-construction-nasa-580.jpgwww.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2009/09/the_international_space_station_is_seen_from_space_shuttle_discovery_as_the_two_spacecraft_begin_separation2/10256265-2-eng-GB/The_International_Space_Station_is_seen_from_Space_Shuttle_Discovery_as_the_two_spacecraft_begin_separation.jpgwww.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/images/content/100243main_sts108-371-031_m.jpgpublicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/expedition-29-14.jpga.abcnews.go.com/images/Technology/ht_space_station_earth_ll_110920_main.jpgYep I can sure see why they say the earth is flat from these photos. [Sarcasm dripping very thickly]
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 20:47:19 GMT -6
And the problem with that map you posted above is one little fact. There are scientist who study penguins and their lives and habitats etc on the SOUTH POLE which that map conveniently ignore or at least refuse to acknowledge exists. There is PROOF OF DESIGN here on Earth too so do you suggest that they claim that we are living in thin air as opposed to living on a planet? Proof of Design doesn't mean anything to someone who doesn't believe in a creator so why the need to supposedly "hide" it or cover it up? Which is another item which discredits the theory all together.
And Yes I have discussed the original post which was about the video and it's contents. I needed Only seconds to know the material in the video, which as I have stated I have seen in other videos as well. Likewise as a part of the original post comments were made about Hiding God, which I have also discussed. In fact I am the ONLY one who has discussed that part at all. God can't be hidden by anyone, just ignored or accepted.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 26, 2015 21:17:37 GMT -6
I'm not invested enough in this to rebut the same points over and over. I get it. You disagree vehemently without watching the video.
Anyone else have opinions of the original post?
While I'm not thrilled over the presence of dripping sarcasm in proved points, I'm at least grateful you stopped the name calling / insulting of people and ideas the last few posts.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 1:16:46 GMT -6
Why would I watch a video that has, as admitted by you, THE SAME STUFF THAT WAS IN THE VIDEO I HAVE ALREADY SEEN AND DISAGREE WITH. Does that even make any sense?
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Post by Deepfriar on Nov 27, 2015 5:51:22 GMT -6
I watched the video with an open mind, at least an hour and a half. Meteors are the biggest strike against it I think; alas, I must remain subscribing to a round earth but the video was certainly entertaining and I very much enjoyed the section about the explorer dude from the 40's or 50's or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 6:56:49 GMT -6
read the comment at the top by the guy who posted/made the video. He pretty much insinuates that if you don't believe in his false flat earth theology that you will some how meet judgement and go to hell for it. True we all will meet judgement but God will not send you to hell for not believing in a false flat earth theology either. I suppose he wouldn't send you to hell for believing in it either for that matter as long as you have a relationship with him. Point is the there is too much proof to go against this theory and there is then all the strikes against it with not only meteorites but what we can see from our back yard through a telescope etc. He may call himself a Christian and claim to be coming from that angle but then again people who teach the gospel of prosperity also claim to be Christians as well.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 27, 2015 7:52:01 GMT -6
Well this is a first. Sorry folks, I'm locking the thread.
Any topic started that's purely speculative (which anything paranormal or conspiracy related IS speculative) should spark discussion and thought. Disagree ALL you want, but keep your intellect above your emotion. Nothing on this forum should be anyone's crusade - we're not the mentor or judge of anyone here.
If anyone feels so strong about a subject that it brings you to slander/namecalling, "bulldogging" (chasing around the thread) or walls of text rebutting people who don't even AGREE but are just trying to discuss, then give the topic a break.
We all have the ability to stand, but sometimes the situation calls for the willingness to yield.
If you're struggling to control yourself from lashing out (believe me, I totally get that) then PM me or the mods and we can talk about it. Better than making a huge mess for everyone to see. _______________________________________
Larry,
I can understand namecalling to a (very) small degree, especially if you feel extremely strong about the situation, but 6 different negative names to 1 topic of people, places, things, situations (like in this thread) needs to be re-written or erased.
My apologies that this topic struck a nerve with you - that wasn't my intention... ...but to be honest bro, this subject isn't beating a dead horse.
You are.
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