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Dec 10, 2015 7:56:00 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 7:56:00 GMT -6
Anyone heard of this band? I came across a video of theirs for the song Initials B.B. on facebook with the poster asking if people could open and watch it in their country. After watching it I saw why. The song is in another language and I have no clue what is being said but there is LOTS of dressed as if in military battle formation and rhythmically flashing as they march. Yep you read that right full on nude flashing. Needless to say I have never seen a music video like that. Upon a little research of the band they are from Sweden, where I guess nudity of perfectly on for music videos and their lyrical topics are Mythology, Occultism, Ancient religions. I have posted in that group on facebook before reporting a post that contained nudity and was pretty much chewed out for it by the members and mods of the group so I just left the group after this one rather than reporting it. Thoughts?
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Dec 10, 2015 9:36:37 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 9:36:37 GMT -6
Now with even further research i have found that there are MANY members of this band some of whom have been in several christian metal bands. So I really don't know what to think about this band.
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Dec 10, 2015 9:46:22 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 9:46:22 GMT -6
Yet they are working on a rock opera in which one member is playing the wife of the anti christ interesting band. Not sure what to think.
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Dec 10, 2015 9:47:39 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 10, 2015 9:47:39 GMT -6
Hi Larry! This is an old band. I've been aware of them back in the day because Cradle of Filth's backup singer also did a few albums with Therion. Never got into them though - not fast enough. Well there's lots of boobs in this video, that's for sure. No bottom half nudity though. Dat drummers face when he was getting whipped... LOLOLOL I thought it was a rather boring song - same riffs over and over for 4 minutes. I watched a few other videos and at least they have more variety in their other songs. I'm not really interested or disinterested in the lyrical themes - I'd have to like the band before I invest in that. Regarding nudity well, there's actually a joke on an old episode of Family Guy that sums up my opinion of it. Q: What's the difference between a pornographic picture and classical art? A: A government grant. I see nothing wrong with nakedness in context. We all have bodies and nipples and some of us have ding dongs and some of us have hoo hoos. What's the big deal? Now, if someone sees nudity and is overcome with lust, well yeah - that's a stumbling block in their faith. They should stay away from that, but that's not everyone. I need to stay away from alcohol because its a stumbling block for me - but that doesn't mean everyone else has to. I actually get pretty annoyed when I'm trying to watch a gory movie and they just throw a bunch of T&A in there for some reason. Now when I see my wife get out of the shower, or she shows a little skin just to be a tease across the room, golly gee I just think that's swell. ...but that's because of who she is and how much she means to me.
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Therion
Dec 10, 2015 10:00:35 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 10, 2015 10:00:35 GMT -6
The song is in another language and I have no clue what is being said Found the lyrics and translated them for you bro. (at least the Google Translate version) One night I was A mope In some English pub Heart of London Love browsing Mons- Tre Pauwels I came a vision In seltzer water
B Initials B initals B Initials B. B.
While medals On imperator Shine to its size Bronze and gold Platinum him serious On a cold circle The brand slaves Each finger
B Initials B initals B Initials B. B.
How long in upper thighs She booted And that's a chalice A beauty She wears nothing Furthermore only a little On the essence of Guerlain In hair
B Initials B initals B Initials B. B.
With each movement They heard The silver bells His wrists Waving his bells she moved And uttered the word : Almeria !
B Initials B initals B Initials B. B.
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Therion
Dec 10, 2015 10:06:12 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 10:06:12 GMT -6
So then regarding nudity you arr saying porn is ok? Yes i know that video is not porn but seeing that could certainly make one want to watch porn. And I do consider playboy as porn too there is really no difference between playboy and that vid.
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Dec 10, 2015 10:11:16 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 10, 2015 10:11:16 GMT -6
No. Porn (nudity focused entirely on sexuality and sexual stimulation) is not ok in my book. Out of that context, if it doesn't make someone fall, then its just a naked body.
I can't comment on Playboy because I haven't seen it myself. Do you know what I'm talking about regarding my classical art comment?
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Dec 10, 2015 10:31:01 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 10, 2015 10:31:01 GMT -6
So then regarding nudity you arr saying porn is ok? Yes i know that video is not porn but seeing that could certainly make one want to watch porn. And I do consider playboy as porn too there is really no difference between playboy and that vid. So you're saying... That video is not porn, but Playboy is porn and there's no difference between Playboy and that video. You lost me there, chief. I personally thought the short skirt (but clothed) women rubbing on each other and making O faces in the video was more sexualized than the marching women with blank expressions or gas masks on, marching and exposing their bare chests.
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Dec 10, 2015 11:26:35 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 11:26:35 GMT -6
I considered that vid to be softcore porn just like a playboy magazine. Just nudity but still imo still the same. Especially for someone who struggles with that stuff.
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Dec 10, 2015 14:52:43 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 10, 2015 14:52:43 GMT -6
Exposed breasts does not equal porn though.
If someone struggles with lust, they could very well have the same feelings regarding ANY nudity. (classical paintings, accidentally seeing the hot girl next door, etc.) ...that doesn't make those things PORN though.
Jeffery Dahmer was aroused by his bucket of dead animal pieces, but that doesn't make THAT porn.
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Dec 10, 2015 16:44:24 GMT -6
Post by Deepfriar on Dec 10, 2015 16:44:24 GMT -6
I see both sides here. That is all. Oh but... if the band is presenting themselves as a Christian entity (I'm not terribly familiar with them)... I think this may apply: "Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble." (1 Cor. 8:13 ESV) ^now I know that is talking about food offered to idols, but I think it highlights the sort of attitude we should have as children of God. If the band considers themselves a "Christian" band, perhaps they should not have nudity in their videos because they may cause someone to stumble. If they do not consider themselves a Christian band, then I'm not sure it's a huge deal. The world will do what the world will do. If I want to see T&A (as Thomas says lol) there are plenty of ways I can do that (and I have in the past). Not proud of it, but I'm not hiding it either. We are all weak in our flesh sometimes but that does NOT mean we have to go around feeling ashamed and defeated. Talk to God about it and move on. He understands we are going to mess up sometimes and guess what: He went to the cross anyway. What does that say about how He feels toward us?
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Therion
Dec 10, 2015 16:59:34 GMT -6
Post by Kerrick on Dec 10, 2015 16:59:34 GMT -6
Therion has never claimed to be a Christian band or even connected with Christianity at all (to my knowledge). From a quick glance I see one member who has been in some Christian bands but I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. Larry, did someone post that in a Christian metal FB page??? If not... then as DF said, I don't see the issue. We shouldn't expect non-Christians to conform to our same standards or values.
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Dec 10, 2015 17:52:09 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 10, 2015 17:52:09 GMT -6
We shouldn't expect non-Christians to conform to our same standards or values. This. If they do not consider themselves a Christian band, then I'm not sure it's a huge deal. The world will do what the world will do. If I want to see T&A (as Thomas says lol) there are plenty of ways I can do that (and I have in the past). Not proud of it, but I'm not hiding it either. We are all weak in our flesh sometimes but that does NOT mean we have to go around feeling ashamed and defeated. Same here bro. I've seen my fair share of porn, mostly between relationships, and for a while I lived in guilt and shame for indulging in it, but that's where the grace of God comes in. His glory allowed me to pick myself up, dust myself off and not fall into it again. I can't remember the last time I watched that stuff. ...and that whole medium is useless being married anyway.
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Dec 10, 2015 19:31:45 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 19:31:45 GMT -6
I never said that they were a Christian band In fact their lyrical topics are Occult, Ancient Religions and Mythology. It was not in a Christian group page but one I was a member of and one who constantly has nudity posted which is against facebook rules, apparently except when it is a cartoon woman riding a squirting cucumber. Since I last got blasted by them for reporting Porn to the admin rather than report them again for the nudity in the video I left the group. Yes Tom Nudity in art is art. There is a big difference between a painting or statue that is nude and a real life woman flashing her boobs in a video or on tv etc. Yes I do view it just like softcore porn as that is what softcore porn is. Nude women showing off their boobs. And yes that causes desires to want to see harder porn vids and pics. Can you see that point? There is a difference between art and nudity and I don't see a music vid with nude boobs to be art but rather a nude woman showing herself in a way to seduce and incite lust. If one could look on a live woman that was nude and not cause lust then playboy and other softcore porn, softcore as in not showing two people in the act but rather just women showing off their nude bodies, then every man would look at it but I don't see how one can view that and not desire the other heavier stuff as well. Make sense?
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Dec 10, 2015 21:12:37 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 10, 2015 21:12:37 GMT -6
except when it is a cartoon woman riding a squirting cucumber. Yes Tom Nudity in art is art. There is a big difference between a painting or statue that is nude and a real life woman flashing her boobs in a video or on tv etc. Paintings and statues are made from looking at a real life right-in-front-of-you nude model. I was an art major in college bro. Just because its a real woman on a screen or in a classroom doesn't mean its porn. Yes I do view it just like softcore porn as that is what softcore porn is. Nude women showing off their boobs. And yes that causes desires to want to see harder porn vids and pics. Can you see that point? Most zombie flicks have boobs at some point - those aren't softcore porn movies dude. Not everyone wants to see harder stuff just because they saw boobs on a screen. Only those with a lust problem. I'm usually content on the monster movies when the jugs go away because she got her face eaten. There is a difference between art and nudity and I don't see a music vid with nude boobs to be art but rather a nude woman showing herself in a way to seduce and incite lust. If you think the band put boobs in their video just to incite lust, then this is certainly an interesting comment from the band: "But add on a couple of breasts and all of a sudden only and few people speaks of the militaristic glorification or totalitarian aesthetics. It’s funny that the modern tolerant western society who (rightly) blame big parts of the muslim world - for forcing their women to look like walking tents out of fear to see parts of their bodies and for being totalitarian - also them selves react harder on seeing a part of women’s bodies than far more dangerous concepts."Source: facebook.com/chris.vontherion/posts/1582750378649236If one could look on a live woman that was nude and not cause lust then playboy and other softcore porn, softcore as in not showing two people in the act but rather just women showing off their nude bodies, then every man would look at it but I don't see how one can view that and not desire the other heavier stuff as well. Make sense? It makes sense to me if someone has an issue with lust that viewing nudity (porn or not) could drive them to more intense and graphic sexual visuals. Does it make sense to you that not every human male will be overcome with lust by watching a stupid music video? Can you see how a grown man could see that music video and not be overwhelmed with desire that has to see something harder and more intense? If you can't bro, I'm greatly concerned for you.
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