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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 20, 2016 20:36:37 GMT -6
I posted this on the CMR and the answers are almost split down the middle. I'm curious as to what you guys would do in this situation that fell into my lap a week ago. There's a TL;DR version below if you guys don't "need" all the details to make a decision. _____________________________ So, I had an old acquaintance contact me out of the blue. He runs a French underground black metal cassette label and has been around for almost 10 years with almost 1,000 catalog releases. I've worked with him before with 4 of my releases (Ankou Awaits) and he's a friendly and reliable guy. It was nice to hear from him again, but he was in dire straights. His label's artist had some personal issues and wasn't able to fulfill the artwork formatting (important detail - formatting, not design) for 10 catalog releases. He was almost to the point of BEGGING me for help. He said that he wouldn't be able to pay me, but he would be very grateful and he also (very politely) stated that he would completely understand if I couldn't help him. I'll also mention this, he knows I'm a Christian (and has since GRIM 1999) but he has said nothing "anti-Christian" to me. (He released my Ankou Awaits which is "safe secular") I requested to see if he would be interested in helping me with a cassette release for Orationem (which is Christian black metal) and he declined. He said nothing personal, but he didn't think that music's "theme" would fit with the other releases he's had. (which is true, it is underground French black metal) Along with his request for help, he sent links to the artwork itself including a template to review. I've got an old version of Photoshop 7 and it didn't take me long to realize that re-sizing/formatting the artwork to his template would be very EASY and not time consuming at all. I know I've got a health condition that I could use as an excuse, but an honest inventory would say that I have PLENTY of free time and ability to work on this. By the way, another important detail. There's no lyrics to be read, but the band/song names have expected underground black metal themes. Here's a couple song names from one release. "Unholy Black Goat", "Ritual of Satanic Blood". The artwork also has the expected upside down crosses, pentagrams, baphomets, you name it. Last but not least, I wouldn't be affiliated/mentioned in the release notes. They're already done, I'm just editing the images to fit his template, something that he doesn't have the ability to do and obviously needs help doing it. Here's the TL;DR read version. - A secular black metal record label owner needs help with artwork - He cannot pay me for my time, it would just be a favor - He said he'd understand if I declined (that's the out) - He knows I'm a Christian - He refuses to release Christian albums on his label - He has never said anything "anti-Christian" to me - The help he needs would be EASY for me to do - I've got the time to do it - I would NOT be affiliated as the artist as the artwork is already designed - It's just a simple formatting job - The band/song names and imagery appear to be satanic in nature So, if you were in this scenario, would you help him? ...or would you decline? Would you see doing this favor as "aiding the enemy" because of what the artwork/lyrics stands for? Would you still feel affiliated even if you weren't listed in the credits? ...or, would you think that helping this man would be a form of general "paying it forward" doing something for someone else, I don't have to take the artwork to heart and perhaps this could help his view towards Christianity because I helped him as a Christian? I've already voted, and easily decided to help him with this. What BAD would come out of me refusing to help him because I didn't "agree" with his artwork? He could see me as just another judgmental Christian and further resent me, all Christians or the Christian faith in general. He could tell others of the experience. Those both seem very real to me. What GOOD would come out of me refusing to help him because I didn't "agree" with his artwork? I'm not saving myself from damnation that the upside down crosses on my screen were about to drag me to. I'm not dealing a crippling blow to Satan's army by refusing. I legitimately cannot think of anything positive from refusing to help him. Please vote yes or no and explain why! Thank you,
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jan 20, 2016 21:10:04 GMT -6
I wouldn't. In almost any other instance I would. It's very important for us to help others when possible, to give freely, etc. However, part of the love we need to have for others is having enough love to disagree with, and take a stand against, sin and potential stumbling blocks, even if people complain at the time. Because even if it's what someone wants, it's something that may very well harm them or spiritually mislead them, which is far worse than the temporary displeasure of a minor disagreement. That's what I try to keep in mind whenever I vocalize my views on something. Now, he'd probably just get someone else to do it or something. The releases may well still come to fruition. Who knows, they might not, too. Your refusal might lead to a "blow to" the enemy somehow. But even if not, at the very least, you can remove yourself from the situation. Sometimes I guess that's the only option. I wanted to leave my (occult-influenced) Coldrealm EP from 2013 up online in the off-chance that the progress I made throughout the recording of that thing, might somehow be a positive influence for somebody. But I ultimately realized the potential spiritual danger of that stuff (don't even ask) so rather than risk anything, I just deleted it altogether. In that case I didn't directly deal any dangerous blow to the enemy. The only option I had there was to delete the EP, and pray it didn't influence anybody further than it already may have. And pray for forgiveness. And I destroyed the only two physical copies I ever made of it. But my decision still served God, because I did remove a stumbling block from our world (very important), and instead gained an opportunity to talk about it here.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 20, 2016 21:46:02 GMT -6
I think you and I will disagree on "the power of music". There was another thread on the CMR that likened vile secular metal to alcohol and "becoming an alcoholic". I think that's very true...
On that note, alcohol would just sit in a bottle for hundreds of years if no one drank it. Its inanimate. Its not going to just smash into somebody on the street and force itself down their throat. I'm a recovering alcoholic, over 8 years sober. I still go to "those" meetings and work a 12 step program. I've seen a handful of people come and go that pretty much turn the meetings into an "alcohol haters club" - like booze is the bad guy in the world, and booze ruined their life.
I myself realize that its not alcohol that's the problem, its me when I drink it. There are millions of people who have NO consequences with alcohol.
Back to metal in comparison. Its inanimate as well. I feel like some Christians put music lyrics on a pedestal a few pegs down from scripture itself. ...at least, give those lyrics almost that much weight in their heart. ...when really, its just some person's words to beat and rhythm. Its just sounds and is not going to MAKE you do anything, unless you "drink it" and "have a problem with it".
If I'm scoring points for Satan because I'm clicking and dragging JPGs on a screen, well, I really helped out the army of evil when I helped that dude with Watain and Dark Funeral stickers on his car change a flat tire.
Sorry bro. I don't see it that way at all, and it doesn't make sense to me to only help Christians. One of the guys on the CMR forum likened me doing this artwork to "giving bullets to a gun wielding murderer". Again, we're going to disagree on the power of music.
If I went down to the local church Sunday, put one of these cassettes in the offering plate, I couldn't just stand back and watch people renounce their faith left and right as the upside down crosses and "Satan is awesome" song names just suck the faith out of people.
Just because his art is dark and his heart is in a different place than mine, doesn't mean he's not one of God's creations and one mindset away from being a brother in faith. While my number one agenda isn't to bring him to Christ, (I have no intention of bulldoging him about it) but I honestly and whole heartedly believe that I'd have a better chance of reaching him with my action of helping him with a project than to go running back to the safety of the choir every time I encountered something anti-Christian or insulting to Christianity.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jan 21, 2016 0:02:33 GMT -6
The impression I get on this forum is that most people who take my position take issue with the lyrics - as you said. And I don't agree with the lyrics, but that doesn't automatically mean I won't listen to it. I do like some pretty vulgar songs in other genres and I'm not affected at all by their lyrics. But there's something "dark" in (the music I won't listen to). Even without any prior clues as to their ideologies, I can just feel it.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 21, 2016 7:26:42 GMT -6
I completely understand and respect the decision of someone who wouldn't help in this situation - for any honest reason why. Because of conviction or they just don't flat out want to do it. ...its a whole other can of worms though to allude someone is wrong, or in dangerous territory because they would help someone with this though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 9:33:01 GMT -6
If I was you, I wouldn't mind helping him. Obviously he respects your way of life (he wouldn't have released Ankou if he thought something like "ugly Christian") and this is what matters from my point of view. If I'm scoring points for Satan because I'm clicking and dragging JPGs on a screen, well, I really helped out the army of evil when I helped that dude with Watain and Dark Funeral stickers on his car change a flat tire. Haha!
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Post by Kerrick on Jan 21, 2016 15:04:40 GMT -6
I voted [yes] on CMR too. I think it's a good opportunity to love someone who is in need and let Christ's light shine through in a very very dark realm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 18:11:02 GMT -6
It's odd because I wholeheartedly understand why you want to help. Yet, mercy and justice need considered. God is both just and merciful. Have you considered that maybe God is showing this guy, by putting him in a hard place and destroying the work of his hands, his own weakness, that what he's invested his life in is chaff? God sends people through hard times and breaks them down intentionally often especially when they strive against him. Does anyone think God would take this man's label away from him because "Jesus Christ came into the world to destroy the works of the devil?" 1 John 3:8
I just find it weird to think that you may be stepping in to try to save what God means to destroy. I'm not saying that's what God wants but that really could be the truth if you're wrong in discerning this. If God wants to crush it, He'll crush it anyway but you'd potentially be in sin.
Again, am I saying that God wants him to fail and you to reject his offer? No. But I think it should be seriously considered. Does God want this man's work and reputation to be upheld, what he's doing and how he's doing it to be rewarded with mercy? God gives mercy to whom He wills it when He wills it and justice when He wills it. I guess you're thinking God wants you to show mercy.
It's not about a pragmatic answer concerning what logically serves the kingdom best according to pluses and minuses against it but about God's will. Sometimes you spare the harlot. Some times the liar and his wife are struck dead in the doorway.
I'm sorry I didn't actually vote. I haven't prayed over this nor am I personally involved.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 22, 2016 3:35:22 GMT -6
I understand having mixed opinions about this. I certainly did consider all sides and prayed about the situation, but I had a conclusion drawn pretty quickly. Welcome to the board and feel free to dive into the other threads by the way! It sounds like you could make some great contributions! I know so many Christians in metal see a black CD with a pentagram and "Destruction of the Holy One" as THE smoking gun of Satan's army manifesting. ...I don't really see that. (I personally think its obvious there's a lot more gun-smoke around the politicians being voted for) If he was trying to destroy Christianity with underground black metal, he would have told me to eff off as a Christian and wouldn't have also told me to "have faith" regarding our casual talk of my cancer diagnosis. I believe all he's trying to do is release good music with a quality product and secular black metal has upside down crosses and unholy themes, just like horror movies have blood guts and murder. I can relate to him completely as an artist and publisher of black metal myself, its just mine happens to be Christian themed. My intention is not to spread evil, or contribute "cause", "deed" or some other "support" to satan's army, but to help someone with their hobby that's similar to mine. I disbelieve that editing artwork will accidentally set fire to Jesus. Speaking of editing, I'm just using my software to apply the already made artwork (and catalog numbers and his label logo) to a template and send it back to him in the format he needs it in. I would refuse to draw pentagrams and evil imagery for obvious reasons.
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Post by blake on Jan 22, 2016 8:30:03 GMT -6
That's a tough one. On one hand I wouldn't want to help bring something like that to fruition and have your name attached to it. On the other hand it can also be a way of planting seeds in this person, so he will see "Hey this guy is a Christian and hes still willing to help someone with opposing views"
If you don't do the art, then someone else will, so either way it will happen. Ultimately its up to you though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 10:46:23 GMT -6
I'd simply look at it as helping a guy who has released some of your music. In general I don't think that it makes much sense to think about 'boycotting' everyone, who has or might have a different spiritual point of view (or to think about how to influence this person in order to change his or her views ). Probably not the best way to get along with each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 11:09:16 GMT -6
Honestly, my answer is "no". If you're helping him out with his project, you're going to be a part of it anyway (even if you're name won't be written on the credits etc.). Saying that helping him is like bringing the light of Christ in his life... sorry, I don't get it. The light of Christ talks about love,yes of course. But it also talks about denial of sin, about surrendering, about repentance. If he keeps doing what he's doing, he'll surely keep walking away from God. And you're helping him with that. You could, instead, make him realize that the only real help he needs right now is the help of Jesus Christ. His love, his forgiveness. That's the only thing that really matters. The whole "having the same hobbies" point of view is a little messed up, I think. Do you honestly think that God would want you to help him spread the words of the anti-christ? (and by anti-christ I mean anything that goes against Christ... even music). Life is made of choices. God will judjge us all, unless we're under the grace of His son. And if that is the case, we don't have to decide whether or not we should help someone spewing the poison. We just follow Christ, by loving our neighbours ... and wholeheartedly condemn sins for what they are. That's my point of view anyway, hope it helps. Peace brother!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 12:24:14 GMT -6
Basically it comes down to two ways of looking at it; a) "I don't mind helping someone who has different goals as long as he respects my goals." b) "Anyone who doesn't bow to my truth/my way shouldn't get my support"
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jan 22, 2016 13:05:25 GMT -6
b) "Anyone who doesn't bow to my truth/my way shouldn't get my support" My ways and truth aren't what matter to me - what matters is God's. My ways and interpretations of things are full of flawed logic and personal biases, and opinions on things I don't fully understand. Which are things I'm learning to overcome nowadays, but I think will always affect me in some way. But God has shown me how reliable His word is, and how true it really is, and how flawed my own conclusions tend to be. As time went on, God revealed more of it to me, showed me how reliable He really was, and continues to do so today. So I try to side with whatever choice objectively best reflects God's teachings, not my personal thoughts on life. I specifically try not to bring my "personal beliefs" into discussions with people, or decisions I make.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 14:16:41 GMT -6
b) "Anyone who doesn't bow to my truth/my way shouldn't get my support" My ways and truth aren't what matter to me - what matters is God's. My ways and interpretations of things are full of flawed logic and personal biases, and opinions on things I don't fully understand. Which are things I'm learning to overcome nowadays, but I think will always affect me in some way. But God has shown me how reliable His word is, and how true it really is, and how flawed my own conclusions tend to be. As time went on, God revealed more of it to me, showed me how reliable He really was, and continues to do so today. So I try to side with whatever choice objectively best reflects God's teachings, not my personal thoughts on life. I specifically try not to bring my "personal beliefs" into discussions with people, or decisions I make. From my point of view following this or that belief-system is a personal truth. Of course everyone thinks that his view or belief is right - otherwise one wouldn't believe in it. It's just natural to treat this belief as "the" truth in one's own life. On the other hand it's obvious that other people are as convinced about their belief as we feel about our own. No one can prove that he's right and the other one is wrong.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 22, 2016 16:06:14 GMT -6
Basically it comes down to two ways of looking at it; a) "I don't mind helping someone who has different goals as long as he respects my goals." b) "Anyone who doesn't bow to my truth/my way shouldn't get my support" I agree with this, but in addendum... Between two threads, I've noticed a pattern. This really isn't about "would you help" or "would you not help" - I think all of us would be willing to help someone with something... Its really about "what you're doing is just a harmless favor for a friend" vs "you're causing harm by helping someone spread poison" Its going to be apparent which "side" the individual is on, which actually brings me to this awesome point that NI made... My ways and truth aren't what matter to me - what matters is God's. My ways and interpretations of things are full of flawed logic and personal biases, and opinions on things I don't fully understand. Which are things I'm learning to overcome nowadays, but I think will always affect me in some way. How do I know that I didn't actually cause more harm than I realize? How do you know that this little favor is in fact poisoning him, me and/or Christianity? We all look to God for truth, yet your interpretation, my interpretation, is full of flawed logic and personal biases, and opinions on things we don't fully understand. Since God is not going ring our doorbell and say "do this one, not this one", all we have to go on is one thing. Our heart. I want to help someone with something I see as harmless and it clearly meant a lot to him. You want to stay safe and keep evil at bay. These are both good intentions, and in a way (again going to Kai's mention of personal truths), both scenarios are actually "right". _______________________________ As far as me doing this to witness to him, that's not entirely my focus. Of course if he seems open, asks questions, or seems like he's waiting for a question to be asked to him, I'd absolutely put it on the table. The bigger reason I did this is because I subscribe heavily to the golden rule. I treat people the way I want to be treated. ...the "heavily" part would be, I still treat people the way I want to be treated, even if they don't return the favor. I always gauge this sort of thing like "shoes on the other feet". If I was having trouble with artwork formatting for my already designed Christian album, reached out to a lot of people and the only one who was willing to help me just happened to run a satanic black metal label, would you think that was pretty awesome that he helped me out since we have OPPOSING beliefs? ...or... would you think that I should refuse his help because it will taint my Christian artwork because of his evil beliefs?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 11:07:59 GMT -6
I think, concerning your example, it would be pretty awesome. Most probably the world would be a somewhat better place, if more people got over "having different beliefs" - instead of trying to form each and everyone according to their own ideals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 13:39:55 GMT -6
How can you guys still think that it's just a matter of beliefs? This is way deeper than that. Being Christian doesn't mean to follow a religion (or any belief). It's about a personal relationship with God himself. So, how could you help anyone to spread words against someone you love? Would you help anyone's work which is entirely focused on abusing/mocking ... let's just say... your mother or father or even your wife/husband? No, I bet you wouldn't. And so even more, we shouldn't (as Christians) help spreading the hate against Christ. Peace!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 23, 2016 19:16:40 GMT -6
I think we can all agree that we strive to have a personal relationship with God, and to be like him. ...but there's a huge difference in how this is all being perceived, and its obviously pretty black and white. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Christians who wouldn't help in this scenario or wouldn't listen to satanic metal believe that ALL these satanic black metal bands are 1) REAL, with a REAL agenda against Christianity, are the closest thing to the physical incarnation of SATAN on this earth, who not only hate Christians but commit crimes against them, are making animal sacrifices, believe these bands see Satan as their LORD, have orgies out in the woods, believe there's REAL meaning in the symbols they use, draw these and other symbols in BLOOD, do REAL strange rituals, Correct me if I'm wrong, but Christians who would help in this scenario and listen to satanic black metal believe that ALL these satanic black metal bands are 2) just from normal dudes, put their pants on one leg at a time like everyone else, don't really hate Christians - just finds the angry ones annoying and the scared ones entertaining, actually hardly think about Christianity/Christians at all, works a regular 9 to 5 job, doesn't commit crimes but has been arrested for weed as a teen, has two relatives that had cancer, has a wife and a kid, loves harsh black metal that talks about whatever - Satan, trees, who knows because there's no lyrics to any of these, doesn't actually believe in Satan as an actual being, isn't trying to convince anyone of anything and just does what he wants like most adults. I'm not "spreading the word" of Satan's glory by adjusting pictures any more than I'm "spreading the word" that I love homicide because I would do the same thing for someone's horror movie. So, how could you help anyone to spread words against someone you love? Would you help anyone's work which is entirely focused on abusing/mocking ... let's just say... your mother or father or even your wife/husband? No, I bet you wouldn't. My answer is the same as when someone else said the same thing on the CMR. I'd still do it and would laugh while doing it if it was funny enough. For those of you who believe satanic black metal is such a sincere and honest genre of music, do feel the same way about death metal and grind? Do you think people really die in horror movies? I mean, wouldn't at least something crazy show up on the news every once in a while if death metal really is about human slaughterhouses and black metal was really about destroying Christianity? In closing, I'm all understanding when it comes to convictions and personal preference - if you don't like something and feel guilt from it, what ever it is, I respect if you stay away from it. I'm an alcoholic with 8 years sober, so I'm definitely convicted with this drink. ...but I'm not about to chastise someone else for MY personal conviction. Those of you insinuating that I'm in sin and helping Satan's army because you wouldn't do this, wouldn't like me "trying to save you from hell" when you drink a beer.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jan 24, 2016 0:03:56 GMT -6
1) REAL, with a REAL agenda against Christianity, are the closest thing to the physical incarnation of SATAN on this earth, who not only hate Christians but commit crimes against them, are making animal sacrifices, believe these bands see Satan as their LORD, have orgies out in the woods, believe there's REAL meaning in the symbols they use, draw these and other symbols in BLOOD, do REAL strange rituals, . . . For those of you who believe satanic black metal is such a sincere and honest genre of music, do feel the same way about death metal and grind? Do you think people really die in horror movies? I mean, wouldn't at least something crazy show up on the news every once in a while if death metal really is about human slaughterhouses and black metal was really about destroying Christianity? It's not so much the superficial stuff, though that's not to be ignored either. It's been my experience that people's ideologies are still conveyed through the music. That's why I can't listen to music from the occult types in the black metal scene. There's this darkness that emanates from their music. I don't know if it's just a matter of how different people express themselves musically, or if demonic forces try to work through the music, or what. I just know it's there, and I can feel it. I can identify it pretty easily - I once listened almost exclusively to music from bands with it in their sound. I don't anymore. And interestingly, if a song just gets stuck in my head for some reason, it doesn't affect me. It's only when I listen to the actual, original audio of the band themselves playing it - I've tested this before. Regardless, even if music isn't made by someone who is "serious" about that stuff, their music is often still riddled with that darkness. About death metal and grind - I never listened to "that" section of that stuff so I can't say, but yes, there's usually something "off" in other genres too - even pop music. It's the same idea I think Megiddon were getting at in their one interview, where they said they didn't talk about Christianity in Megiddon, but their beliefs still rang through in the music. (PS: Just to be 100% clear for anybody who happens to be reading this: This post is about hearing something, and reaching conclusions based on sounds, using basic spiritual discernment. None of what I said here should be confused with the similar-sounding, yet fundamentally different concept of "psychic abilities" which I strongly discourage and oppose)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 9:51:24 GMT -6
It's alright to stop listening to a certain style if it causes you to feel bad. Nevertheless I do not think that it tells something about the creator(s) of the songs. Let me use a different example : if someone becomes suicidal from listening to Paradise Lost, it is just smart to not listen to Paradise Lost anymore. But: it does not "prove" that Nick Holmes is a devilish agent of suicide or that it's a fact that there "is" a suicidal vibe in the music.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 7:37:39 GMT -6
Those of you insinuating that I'm in sin and helping Satan's army because you wouldn't do this, wouldn't like me "trying to save you from hell" when you drink a beer. I'm sorry if you thought that I'm judging you in any way. Cause I am not. It was just my personal "2 cents" about it. How I feel about it. My own little advise, you know? Of course you have the last word about it. And by the way (at least for me) it's not a matter of feeling guilty, no. It's just that I can't stand it. Even if they don't actually believe in what they say. It doesn't really matter, cause it's still offending to me. Oh and one last thing, when it comes to extremely brutal lyrics/imagery in death and grind, I feel like the same as when I listen to black metal with satanic/anti-christian lyrics. Necropedophilia? Raping and murdering of women and children? No thanks, it's just too much Peace!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jan 26, 2016 18:11:01 GMT -6
I didn't think you were directly. I'm sorry if you thought I was accusing you. I figured I'd at least make that "blanket statement", just in case... ...afterall, this topic on the other Christian metal forum got a bit more nasty. (I'm still reeling from someone saying me helping that person was the same as giving bullets to a gun wielding murderer) Obviously we're divided on this opinion, and that has everything to do with priority and preference. Who's really wrong and right doesn't ultimately matter to me. I want whats best for the kingdom of God and I got my answer in prayer before I even made this thread.
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Post by Kerrick on Feb 9, 2016 15:27:33 GMT -6
So Thomas, what ever happened with this? How did he respond? Did anything else come of it?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 9, 2016 22:29:43 GMT -6
Oh yeah man, I got those 10 done for him a while ago. It was pretty simple work. He was VERY grateful and forwarded me a few e-mails from the bands I helped and they were really thankful as well. (it was almost comical to see artists of such dark bands express such happiness, cute emoji and all)
In passing, I mentioned to him that these bands use some pretty awesome fonts. He sent me an e-mail "Oh here you go man" where he put like 50 of these different fonts in a dropbox for me to download. So awesome. I think they're like premium or paid for fonts? Cause I haven't heard of half of these!
He asked for help on a few others, but he said there was absolutely NO obligation and that my health comes first, he understands if I can't/won't do it. I told him I'd help him with it and gave him a time frame. That was before my last bout of health issues and told him I'd try to get them done later this week.
Its fun work, some of the artwork is really cool. It obviously helps more than just him, it makes these artists pretty happy as well. Pay it forward, you know? Also, I get some strange satisfaction that his current artist had to drop out temporarily because of "personal issues", yet I'm fighting for my life here and still able to lend a hand.
Helps with my self worth, you know? I'm not as sick if I can do something for someone else.
The only thing that would make this better is if a Christian black metal band wanted my help and I could help them.
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Post by Kerrick on Feb 16, 2016 18:46:10 GMT -6
Right on! Thanks for the update. It'd be super cool if he told the bands that you were the one to help and sent them some links to your projects. Maybe that'd help change their perspective on Christians and Christianity.
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