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Post by anfauglith on Nov 30, 2020 10:58:09 GMT -6
It sometimes makes me sad: there is this german language board on a page called unblack.ch. It seems to have had its great days somewhen between 2000 and 2007. Some people still post there, but for me it always has something of a veteran day meetup and so I never cared to join the board. Today I learned that unblack.ch (or to be more precise the forum, the "Tavern") will be closed ending 2020. They would need an update of the board software which they see as too much effort considering that only a handful of people still visits the board. Hm... makes me sad. Things like that make me think that christian metal or christianity in metal is somehow dead over here.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 30, 2020 11:53:27 GMT -6
Hm... Metal Archives lists around 20 active Christian metal bands in Germany. (It technically lists more but a few are like "anti-Christian" misspelled, etc.) I know there's also "Sola Scriptura" which isn't on Metal Archives.
Overall it's not a huge community but it's far from dead. You just have to look a little harder than normal to find the community.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Nov 30, 2020 23:01:24 GMT -6
had me talk to a prophetess, This seems sketchy. Speaking of sketchy, I recently went down the "Occult Symbolism in Hollywood and Pop Music" rabbit hole. A couple of thoughts. 1) I don't believe in capital-C conspiracies where "EVERYTHING IS ALL PLANNED." Humans are not able to coordinate that well. 2) I do believe in small-c conspiracies, since they've been repeatedly shown to exist (most conspiracies are botch jobs). 3) Hollywood types seem to love their occult symbolism. 4) We accept that rock and metal musicians can be into the occult--Manson and King Diamond are atheistic Satanists (although Manson is...not quite as atheistic as LaVey, I don't think), Jimmy Page was deep into occult material. Why is it conspiratorial to think that a pop star or producer could be into the same stuff. 5) Some people include occult imagery in their art because they are dropping hints about their occult leanings. Manson, for instance, knows quite a bit about the occultism and esotericism--at one point he gave everyone in his band a name based on numerology, and he has alchemical symbols tattooed on his body, etc. etc. 6) Some people include occult imagery in their art because "fuck you." Slayer in particular comes to mind--I doubt they had any deep-rooted beliefs about the occult.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 1, 2020 15:37:10 GMT -6
sounds cocky (keeps saying he knows whats wrong with me) Yeeaaaaahhh.... Perhaps its my own experience with working as a counselor, but times (years ago) where I've had a presumptuous "session", I'm actually quite happy to debunk their forecast and then vocalize being entertained by watching it shift. makes me pray out loud after him (and thus i've officially renounced black metal sorry guys) Ah yes, say what I say when I say for you to say it. Nothing helps everything like murdering free speech for a day. had me talk to a prophetess I beg your pardon? keeps wanting me to be directed by God towards certain memories of when i was younger No one has answers today from their past. Lessons and things learned, yes. Answers, no. i hate being alive and i am trapped and literally nothing can relieve the pain crises and i am powerless (and idk what God is doing with His power in me but it appears not much) We're all powerless, but its not always unmanageable. I go outside and its cold and windy. I'm literally powerless to change that... but, a coat pretty much takes care of that. Its the unmanageability that's the problem, not the powerlessness. The last time I was at the "i hate being alive and i am trapped and literally nothing can relieve the pain" was January 2016. Newly diagnosed with buttcancer and starting pill chemo that made me feel worse. My surgeon and oncologist recommended cannabis and well, I was flabbergasted on how wrong I was on 'nothing can relieve the pain'. Bro, SOMETHING can relieve the pain, you just haven't found it yet. i dont feel like explaining more I don't blame you. I have doubts that any of us on this forum could still even grasp it, even if you laid out a 100 paragraph diatribe about it. That said, "normal feels" is a very fickle balance I think. I feel pretty happy, and stress free most of the time.... but getting 4 hours of sleep or less the night before? I'm ready to kill myself that day too. I talked to one bro in a piano community a while back about his personal depression. He was wanting to die and cutting himself. Come to find out, the only things dude had eaten in the past week, came "individually wrapped". Yeah, I'd want to kill myself too. idk what God is doing with His power in me but it appears not much Most Christians would agree God is the foundation of a solution to a problem.... but God doesn't just quantum leap into our living room and do some head re-arranging magic tricks. It sounds to me that you've got the foundation. Well, I'd want to kill myself too if I had to live life on an empty sturdy lot. I believe if there is a problem, there is a solution. Somewhere. Somehow. Something. You find it? Your life will change. At least, that's been my experience. :B
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Post by _ on Dec 4, 2020 11:47:10 GMT -6
sounds cocky (keeps saying he knows whats wrong with me) Yeeaaaaahhh.... Perhaps its my own experience with working as a counselor, but times (years ago) where I've had a presumptuous "session", I'm actually quite happy to debunk their forecast and then vocalize being entertained by watching it shift. makes me pray out loud after him (and thus i've officially renounced black metal sorry guys) Ah yes, say what I say when I say for you to say it. Nothing helps everything like murdering free speech for a day. had me talk to a prophetess I beg your pardon? keeps wanting me to be directed by God towards certain memories of when i was younger No one has answers today from their past. Lessons and things learned, yes. Answers, no. i hate being alive and i am trapped and literally nothing can relieve the pain crises and i am powerless (and idk what God is doing with His power in me but it appears not much) We're all powerless, but its not always unmanageable. I go outside and its cold and windy. I'm literally powerless to change that... but, a coat pretty much takes care of that. Its the unmanageability that's the problem, not the powerlessness. The last time I was at the "i hate being alive and i am trapped and literally nothing can relieve the pain" was January 2016. Newly diagnosed with buttcancer and starting pill chemo that made me feel worse. My surgeon and oncologist recommended cannabis and well, I was flabbergasted on how wrong I was on 'nothing can relieve the pain'. Bro, SOMETHING can relieve the pain, you just haven't found it yet. i dont feel like explaining more I don't blame you. I have doubts that any of us on this forum could still even grasp it, even if you laid out a 100 paragraph diatribe about it. That said, "normal feels" is a very fickle balance I think. I feel pretty happy, and stress free most of the time.... but getting 4 hours of sleep or less the night before? I'm ready to kill myself that day too. I talked to one bro in a piano community a while back about his personal depression. He was wanting to die and cutting himself. Come to find out, the only things dude had eaten in the past week, came "individually wrapped". Yeah, I'd want to kill myself too. idk what God is doing with His power in me but it appears not much Most Christians would agree God is the foundation of a solution to a problem.... but God doesn't just quantum leap into our living room and do some head re-arranging magic tricks. It sounds to me that you've got the foundation. Well, I'd want to kill myself too if I had to live life on an empty sturdy lot. I believe if there is a problem, there is a solution. Somewhere. Somehow. Something. You find it? Your life will change. At least, that's been my experience. :B It would be less difficult for my recalcitrant brain to respond if there was an audio message option, or if I remembered how to quote and respond by smaller sections. Fuck, language is such an unwieldy beast -- makes these psych sessions worse. Anyways, yeah -- thank you for your response, Thomas. The repeating-his-words-as-prayer-aloud is stupid. I wouldn't mind insincerely repeating the fucking girl scouts code or some shit out loud, but I'd rather not mix the authenticity of prayer with things I don't believe. The prophetess ... I lol'd at your short response, Thomas. "I beg your pardon" was my response to the doctor when he asked if I would speak with her, except it came out as "sure." I mean, idk ... I feel like what she said would be interesting to share (e.g., the face of a woman screaming from the center of my back), but I don't really feel like giving it the time of day ... same with my fragmentary ruminations on theology (e.g., regarding speaking in tongues). What I got out of the session with the prophetess (which I realize is a term I haven't defined or even described ... I can do neither really) is another shade of skepticism regarding the theology of the psychiatrist, which presents quite a divide as it is the backbone of what he is quote unquote doing to quote unquote treat me. Interesting distinction between answers and lessons learned. Also an interesting distinction between power and management. I guess I use the terms more synonymously -- perhaps something like: "i cannot manage X" = "i am powerless to manage X" = "my management of X is not effective." Eh. Extreme shrug. "Bro, SOMETHING can relieve the pain, you just haven't found it yet." I appreciate you writing this. I'm just not sure. "I believe if there is a problem, there is a solution. Somewhere. Somehow. Something." I appreciate you writing this.
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Post by _ on Dec 4, 2020 14:34:04 GMT -6
fun fact i have the desire to delete most posts i make (recently) isnt that awesome
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Post by barabbas on Dec 4, 2020 20:19:09 GMT -6
I can't figure out where best to put this, but have you seen these?
I can't even begin to describe how awesome these are.
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Post by avjr on Dec 4, 2020 21:25:47 GMT -6
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Dec 5, 2020 11:31:54 GMT -6
Call me crazy, but I have another idea: Instead of lessening restrictions on churches to match the other guidelines, why not increase the restrictions on secular gatherings so that all around, fewer thousands of people are dying of a preventable illness?
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Post by avjr on Dec 5, 2020 13:33:32 GMT -6
Call me crazy, but I have another idea: Instead of lessening restrictions on churches to match the other guidelines, why not increase the restrictions on secular gatherings so that all around, fewer thousands of people are dying of a preventable illness? It can work.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 6, 2020 9:41:40 GMT -6
Call me crazy, but I have another idea: Instead of lessening restrictions on churches to match the other guidelines, why not increase the restrictions on secular gatherings so that all around, fewer thousands of people are dying of a preventable illness? My crazy idea would be, there's a lot of science (I mean, a lot of it) that shows "lockdowns" do more harm than good. How about we all stop locking down? :B The thing is though, democrat governors and judges dictate what "science trend" is real science, and what isn't. Surprisingly, they 100% side with "the science" that gives them the most power over the population. The great irony is, if they really believed this was a scientific matter of life and death, we wouldn't have multiple governors and judges ordering people to shelter in place, and then they immediately go out to eat, or get their hair done, start traveling, or even being out of state or country when they outline the orders by zoom... My personal favorite, the Texas judge who issued a stay at home order, (remember, your life depends on it) and then was caught going to his grandson's birthday party. (in full firefighter gear disguise, so you knew he was trying to be slick) Judge Bill Gravell: Stay at home! Your life depends on it! Judge Bill Gravell: *caught violating his own orders* Judge Bill Gravell: but but but but but but but my grandson's birthday tho
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Post by avjr on Dec 6, 2020 13:36:13 GMT -6
Call me crazy, but I have another idea: Instead of lessening restrictions on churches to match the other guidelines, why not increase the restrictions on secular gatherings so that all around, fewer thousands of people are dying of a preventable illness? My crazy idea would be, there's a lot of science (I mean, a lot of it) that shows "lockdowns" do more harm than good. How about we all stop locking down? :B The thing is though, democrat governors and judges dictate what "science trend" is real science, and what isn't. Surprisingly, they 100% side with "the science" that gives them the most power over the population. The great irony is, if they really believed this was a scientific matter of life and death, we wouldn't have multiple governors and judges ordering people to shelter in place, and then they immediately go out to eat, or get their hair done, start traveling, or even being out of state or country when they outline the orders by zoom... My personal favorite, the Texas judge who issued a stay at home order, (remember, your life depends on it) and then was caught going to his grandson's birthday party. (in full firefighter gear disguise, so you knew he was trying to be slick) Judge Bill Gravell: Stay at home! Your life depends on it! Judge Bill Gravell: *caught violating his own orders* Judge Bill Gravell: but but but but but but but my grandson's birthday tho I’m sick of the hypocrisy. Also, we got two: 1. Continue the restrictions without anyone breaking them (including politicians). Or 2. Stop the restrictions and let everything be open. We can go either way.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Dec 6, 2020 21:36:28 GMT -6
Theoretically, lockdowns work. If no one is in contact with each other, the virus will run its course, not spread, and die (or whatever viruses do). And in fact, this is how Sri Lanka beat the virus (not that I would necessarily want the quasi-dictatorship of Sri Lanka).
To use a somewhat crude analogy, imagine that fighting the virus is like fighting a dude, and having a lockdown is like kicking the dude, uh, where the sun don't shine. We've got two problems. 1) Analogy: You accidentally kick the guy in the wrong place (but tell yourself you're kicking him in the no-no's). Reality: You have a "lockdown," but not enough stuff is actually shut down to make a difference. You have a TON of "essential workers" out, moving around, spreading the virus. Meanwhile, anyone who's not "essential" is bleeding money and dealing with the issues involved with being so isolated. Basically, everyone is put through purgatory or hell--but with no payoff.
2) Analogy: You kick the guy, but then don't finish him off. Reality: You have a lockdown (assuming you even pull it off), but then you just open up like normal. Not surprisingly, cases go back up. Then, because no one really wants to go through the nightmare of kindasorta lockdown again (see #1), you take all of these weird half measures that just make everyone miserable, without doing anything to decisively crush the virus. So now, the virus is back AND you have a populace that is tired of any measures taken to restrain it, who (somewhat justifiably) thinks that measures to stop the virus are pointless, and isn't going to go along with your random set of ad-hoc guidelines that you came up with five minutes ago because you don't have an end goal in mind, you just want to...do something about the virus.
It's interesting that people think this is some kind of conspiracy against Christians. I've seen many cases of bar owners who were PISSED because they basically lost their life savings when their bars were shut down--and in some cases, their bars weren't able to reopen even though restaurants were. Meanwhile, earlier this year the Mayor of New York was taking shots at the Jewish community for not isolating. Government officials singling out the Jews--not a good look.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 7, 2020 9:31:00 GMT -6
Theoretically, lockdowns work. Part of the problem is full speed ahead on a theory, seeing livelyhoods wither and die, and even more full speed ahead until they do die. My crude analogy would be the time I chained myself to a water heater in a studio apartment in my late 20s to stop myself from drinking. (Hey! Science has a cure for alcoholism! Being restrained with chains works!!) Obviously, there were some other problems from that, but I guess being in chains, surrounded by excrement, not having food for 2 days, is better than drinking again. It's interesting that people think this is some kind of conspiracy against Christians. That's because there is. Did you read the 5-4 SCOTUS ruling blocking NY Governor Andrew Cuomo's COVID restrictions on churches? Its full of zingers. To me, I thought Gorsuch's concurrence laid out the obvious, and here's an excerpt:
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Post by avjr on Dec 7, 2020 11:24:05 GMT -6
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Dec 7, 2020 13:20:56 GMT -6
It's interesting that people think this is some kind of conspiracy against Christians.
I just think of all the skeptics out there - the agnostics, the new agers, those in the process of leaving other religions etc, watching the Christian "church" switching gods, from the spiritual creator God/YHWH... to political Republican talking points. How must these skeptics feel??? How much is the Gospel being stifled by this? All we can do is talk and pray that God helps the seeds grow, I guess.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Dec 7, 2020 15:57:39 GMT -6
watching the Christian "church" switching gods, from the spiritual creator God/YHWH... to political Republican talking points. Bro, we made the switch a long time ago.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Dec 7, 2020 22:05:28 GMT -6
Maybe we should have a separate thread for politics/COVID updates. I've enjoyed this conversation, but it seems like we're getting away from random thoughts. Part of the problem is full speed ahead on a theory, seeing livelyhoods wither and die, and even more full speed ahead until they do die. My crude analogy would be the time I chained myself to a water heater in a studio apartment in my late 20s to stop myself from drinking. (Hey! Science has a cure for alcoholism! Being restrained with chains works!!) Obviously, there were some other problems from that, but I guess being in chains, surrounded by excrement, not having food for 2 days, is better than drinking again. I think we're on the same page here. Continuing the analogy, the actions of the American government are equivalent to chaining someone to the water heater, but not really knowing where to go from there--and making the chain long enough that the person can reach the alcohol, but not long enough the food in the kitchen. To use another analogy--in medicine, it's sometimes necessary to perform a dangerous or costly procedure--but you don't want to perform this procedure in a sloppy way. The way the U.S. has handled Coronavirus is the equivalent getting a DIY brain surgery.
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Post by avjr on Dec 8, 2020 20:44:09 GMT -6
Maybe we should have a separate thread for politics/COVID updates. I've enjoyed this conversation, but it seems like we're getting away from random thoughts. Part of the problem is full speed ahead on a theory, seeing livelyhoods wither and die, and even more full speed ahead until they do die. My crude analogy would be the time I chained myself to a water heater in a studio apartment in my late 20s to stop myself from drinking. (Hey! Science has a cure for alcoholism! Being restrained with chains works!!) Obviously, there were some other problems from that, but I guess being in chains, surrounded by excrement, not having food for 2 days, is better than drinking again. I think we're on the same page here. Continuing the analogy, the actions of the American government are equivalent to chaining someone to the water heater, but not really knowing where to go from there--and making the chain long enough that the person can reach the alcohol, but not long enough the food in the kitchen. To use another analogy--in medicine, it's sometimes necessary to perform a dangerous or costly procedure--but you don't want to perform this procedure in a sloppy way. The way the U.S. has handled Coronavirus is the equivalent getting a DIY brain surgery. You can change the subject?
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Post by julienbakerfan on Dec 9, 2020 6:38:17 GMT -6
I could, but since I enjoy monologuing about politics (political philosophy is what I'm getting my degree in), it's difficult for me. Since politics is so interesting yet so frustrating, it might just be a good idea to "quarantine" (haha) the whole thing in a different thread.
Anyway, I found out yesterday that you can buy ground kangaroo. You know, like ground beef.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Dec 9, 2020 12:06:33 GMT -6
(political philosophy is what I'm getting my degree in) Why? EVERYONE has a political philosophy degree! Just check Facebook comment sections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 15, 2020 12:11:11 GMT -6
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Dec 15, 2020 17:43:59 GMT -6
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Post by julienbakerfan on Dec 16, 2020 22:14:54 GMT -6
It's interesting that I've seen this (unsubstantiated) claim from both right and left sources. @youranoncentral (one of the Anonymous Twitter accounts) tried to use it to "own" Donald Trump at some point...it didn't own the Donald, but it certainly decreased my confidence in @youranoncentral.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Dec 16, 2020 22:26:28 GMT -6
Here's a list I found of different vaccines and their sources. It's coming from a Catholic think thank, so they will be very hardline against abortion: www.jp2mri.org/are-there-current-vaccinesAssociated Press confirms the Reuters account: apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9730954855"According to the University of Oxford development team, the original Human Embryonic Kidney 293 cells were taken from the kidney of an aborted fetus in 1973, but the cells used now are clones of the original cells and are not the original fetal tissue." We downgrade this from 10 to five 's It looks like the same cloned cells are used for other vaccines as well. For what it's worth, the Catholic Church (or at least the Pontifical Academy for Life) as approved the use of vaccines made from the cloned cells: cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/03/vaticans-academy-for-life-encourages-parents-to-vaccinate-children/To me, the closest parallel is something like a hypothetical medicine that was invented by Nazi doctors by torturing prisoners in the concentration camps. The initial way of obtaining the medicine was unethical, but now that the medicine is obtained--and doesn't require you to do anything unethical to keep it around--it's permissible for you to use. And this doesn't imply that it's OK for you to torture some more people in order to fine more medicines.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Dec 17, 2020 15:05:34 GMT -6
We downgrade this from 10 to five 's I wish. I should have elaborated, but it was 10 "dweebs" because there's no way I could convince my mother otherwise if her doctor told her it. LOL
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Post by avjr on Dec 18, 2020 22:22:46 GMT -6
We’ll see what happens.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Dec 19, 2020 20:39:00 GMT -6
>takes the vaccine >grows a second brain >second brain tries to take over the world
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Post by avjr on Dec 20, 2020 0:54:04 GMT -6
I went to a Punk show at Los Angeles today. It has been awhile since I gone to one. One of my leads at work invited me to come, and I did. The bands I like are Barrage, Corrupted Youth, and The Runts. I’m going to check their music out.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Dec 20, 2020 18:57:23 GMT -6
Lucky. There hasn't been a punk show here since COVID hit.
The only bands that are playing are boring cover bands or boring jam bands charging ridiculous ticket prices--and since it's too cold to do outside shows at the moment, those bands aren't playing either.
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