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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 10, 2016 13:16:41 GMT -6
The recent shoutbawx conversations inspired me to make this, even though I'll most likely look like a huge jerk for making this thread.
Let me preface by saying, I'm not disputing the holy scripture value that the Bible is. The Bible is the word of God... but included are the words of multiple men, written at different times, and much time has passed. I personally do not think the Bible is word-to-word PERFECTION or that we should be heavily invested in SOME fine print / details of the canon, for several reasons. I do believe the Bible is THE guide to salvation and happy Christian living...
...along with a lot of "literature".
(I can go more into what I think the Bible IS if that's where this thread goes, but right now, I just want to see what you guys speculate regarding the below information)
Contradiction #1
Who is Joseph's father? (For the record, this is the Joseph, married to Mary who gave birth to Jesus.)
Matthew 1:16 says Joseph's dad was Jacob. Luke 3:23 says Joseph's dad was Heli.
Contradiction #2
What color was the robe put on Jesus after being condemned?
Matthew 27:28 said the robe was scarlet. John 19:2 said the robe was purple. ______________________________
By the way, this is supposed to be more of a lighthearted make you think "why?" discussion. ...not trying to piss anyone off or present myself as a Bible basher.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 12, 2016 9:07:46 GMT -6
*sings ghostbusters theme* "I ain't afraid of no posts!"
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Post by exo on Jul 12, 2016 17:33:16 GMT -6
Contradiction #2 What color was the robe put on Jesus after being condemned? Matthew 27:28 said the robe was scarlet. Is the dress blue or black?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 12, 2016 20:51:54 GMT -6
Hmmm? Scarlet is red.
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Post by barabbas on Jul 12, 2016 22:18:51 GMT -6
I don't think you can answer these kinds of questions independently of the other questions related to what the Bible is and so forth, which means this could be a much bigger discussion. (The discussion has been continuing in the shoutbox.) But I'll say a couple of things.
There is a difference between a contradiction and a contrary. Contraries are things that appear opposed, but are not opposites. Contradictions can't both be true at the same time and in the same respect. A contradiction would be saying "p and not p." What you have listed are not contradictions, at least not without further information.
(I don't know what is usually said about these two you've mentioned, so I'm just making some suggestions.)
In the first, what if Joseph's dad had two names? It's only a contradiction if Joseph's dad is Heli, which is not Jacob, and vice versa. However, we don't have the information to say that.
In the second, what if the robe had two colors? Or: in English, we just have one name for the color blue; different shades are designated with further adjectives or with light/dark, etc. In Spanish, there are two names for the color blue. Light blue is celeste and dark blue is azul. Arguably, Spanish speakers have two colors where English speakers only have one. What if in the second contrary, there is just one color with two names (or some other issue related to translation)?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 7:09:27 GMT -6
You never heard about the dress thing? Exo was referencing this: What colors do you think the dress is, Thomas?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 13, 2016 7:39:44 GMT -6
What colors do you think the dress is, Thomas? I saw a YouTube video on this. Where people say the dress is either white and gold or blue and black. Never got any explanation as to why, and it's just confusing for someone to say it's blue and black when it looks white and gold to me. ______________________ I know this thread is rocking the boat. All of you guys are more mature than turning this into a knock down drag out... and I just dumped these "contradictions" (emphasis on the quotes) here to probe for feedback. ...but I do have an opinion on this. These inconsistencies do not matter. For all we know, one of the disciples is color blind. Whether Joseph's dad's name is Stan, Jeff, Steve, Jacob, Heli, Jabadadadada... doesn't discredit the Christian TEACHINGS in the Holy book, and it's annoying for someone to look at details that don't match and assume everything stated in the Bible is wrong. There's studies that human memory isn't 100% accurate, but it's close enough. Couple that with thousands of years passing, multiple authors (some of which are retelling a story instead of experiencing it firsthand) and you get elements of a long term game of telephone. That's OK though. There's different levels of accuracy between court dictation and a published biography, but in my opinion, they both hold firm as truth. I just happen to view the Bible more along the lines of a biography, rather than word for word 100% accurate dictation. The reason why, has to do with inconsistencies like the ones I mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 8:12:18 GMT -6
I saw a YouTube video on this. Where people say the dress is either white and gold or blue and black. Never got any explanation as to why, and it's just confusing for someone to say it's blue and black when it looks white and gold to me. Oh. From your reply to Exo, it seemed like you didn't know what he was talking about.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 13, 2016 9:21:28 GMT -6
I didn't. ...but I knew what you were talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 9:49:24 GMT -6
Gotcha. Also, I see it blue and black.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Jul 13, 2016 12:50:43 GMT -6
If you isolate the colors in that specific image, they're gold and a very pale blue. Even though the dress itself is blue and black.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 13, 2016 15:32:42 GMT -6
Wait, what the eff? Did you guys switch the image? The dress changed on me.
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Post by Kerrick on Jul 13, 2016 15:44:50 GMT -6
Wait, what the eff? Did you guys switch the image? The dress changed on me. Hahaha yeah you missed all the craziness on Facebook when it first came up. I thought it was some sort of trick at first so I copied the picture onto my local computer and sure enough, it's legit. Just some strange thing with our brains...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 15:57:21 GMT -6
It's always looked blue and black to me in every image.
Also, sorry for derailing this thread...
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jul 13, 2016 16:09:15 GMT -6
I wouldn't consider this a derail at all. In regards to the two verses saying different colors of the robe, this dress is a totally legit explanation.
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