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Gore
Feb 21, 2015 2:39:00 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 21, 2015 2:39:00 GMT -6
This will be a taboo topic I'm sure. DISCLAIMER: This thread is for discussion of this topic, not the sharing of media. Please take that to PM.
Have any of you seen any extremely graphic footage of accidents, medical procedures, murder? Is it something you've never seen holding true the "Be careful little eyes what you see"? Is accidents and medical footage acceptable, but murder/torture is off limits? Is observing all of it intriguing?
Myself, I would be the latter. This is something I "found" in college and initially grossed myself out, but now, its been a source of intrigue. Also the "shock" of some of the footage has a very brutal feeling.
Don't get me wrong, I would never enjoy a person or animal's suffering. ...but "stomaching" what I just saw feels like an internal challenge to being desensitized. I do see one benefit - if I happened to be in a group of people seeing a horrible accident, I wouldn't be throwing up, turning away or leaving. I would be sound enough in mind to be able to assist them, even if half their face was gone.
Thoughts?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 23, 2015 17:44:02 GMT -6
LOL. Should we talk about Al Gore instead?
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Gore
Feb 23, 2015 18:12:14 GMT -6
Post by Kerrick on Feb 23, 2015 18:12:14 GMT -6
Manbearpig! Half man, half bear-pig. Or was it half man-bear, half pig?
Haha anyways... to the topic at hand... I dunno, I used to watch a ton of gory zombie movies and stuff and in more recent years felt inclined to skip over much of that stuff. I don't think it's healthy. It's one thing if you're a medic and researching how to better help people. But if you're just watching someone/thing getting brutalized for the entertainment value... I dunno, there's something within me that says we probably shouldn't be doing that. God created our bodies and everything in them, blood and guts included. And we are beautiful creations. But I suppose I'd compare it to sex. There is some really artistic and beautiful pornographic stuff out there (such as Lars von Trier's films). You could watch it with the intent to appreciate the art... but regardless, you're taking God's intent for sexuality outside of the confines of marriage which I believe is sinful and in the end unhealthy. Perhaps that's a very flawed comparison, but I hope you get what I'm saying? Are you truly watching that to better stomach it in case of a horrible situation or is it for your personal entertainment and pleasure? Is it glorifying to God and His creation? I'm not sure, but I know for myself that watching some of that stuff has not set well with me.
This is slightly off-topic, but violence in movies is something I've thought a lot about over the years... Like I said, I used to love all the shoot 'em up over-the-top flicks like Robert Rodriguez's stuff, zombie movies, etc. The gorier the more entertaining. But a few films changed that for me... Hobo With A Shotgun just grossed me out due to the sadistic nature of the violence. I just felt gross and after that I lost interest in much of the other "grindhouse" style films I used to so enjoy. The one that has had the biggest effect on me though is Funny Games. I very hesitantly recommend this one highly. It is not an easy film to watch and intentionally makes the viewer uncomfortable and hate the movie. But it is also one of the only movies that I would say is truly "brilliant." I have never seen a movie that has invoked stronger emotions. At the surface, the movie is about two psychotic teenage boys who terrorize a family in a game of deadly cat-and-mouse. However, the movie is actually about violence in film and how we react to it. It totally changed my perception. It really makes you think about movies like Taken where one good guy is killing hundreds of bad guys and how we just love that and want more. They're all sex-slave traffickers - and just like zombies - we as the viewer have zero remorse for their brutal demise and instead get pleasure from seeing it. Is that godly and good? Is that Christ-like in the least?
All that being said, I do still love horror films though I am much more selective now with what I watch.
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Gore
Feb 26, 2015 21:46:30 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 26, 2015 21:46:30 GMT -6
For clarification, no I don't get satisfaction at the death or suffering of someone else. ...and I'm not viewing gore just to potentially assist someone in a gruesome scenario. Its probably a weird analogy, but I'd compare it to eating insanely hot, hot sauce. I'm not eating it for the taste of it.
I'm eating it for the challenge - am I strong enough to handle it? I ate it and I handled it! Lets eat another one.
Interesting you bring up God making us, guts and all. Its one thing to cause or support violence, but its another to just... see... a documented accident. Or witness a medical procedure. Or be an onlooker to documented violence.
Think about the history of executions and how many of them had crowds. We can't really assume everyone was there to watch "justice be carried out"...
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Aug 9, 2015 15:12:46 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 15:12:46 GMT -6
Gory stuff doesn't do a lot for me. When I first got online way back when I would occasionally go to the gross out sites, and even before then I remember various people talking about the Faces of Death / Traces of Death / Whatever other death related videos there were. And then there were people that would show me medical and surgical footage and all that. But I fairly quickly realised that that type of stuff didn't really engage me in any way. As far as "darker" stuff went I much preferred the more atmospheric type of thing. Bones instead of blood ... cemeteries instead of slaughter houses ... decaying buildings instead of decaying flesh. I don't know why, it just clicked with me in a way that violence / gore never did.
As far as horror movies go, I really only like older ones. Again, I think it's just because I prefer that atmosphere that they have. Stuff like Freaks, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Nosferatu, White Zombie. They are just more entertaining to me I guess, even if they aren't really scary or disturbing in any way.
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Gore
Aug 10, 2015 7:08:42 GMT -6
Post by blake on Aug 10, 2015 7:08:42 GMT -6
As far as gore in movies and stuff goes thats never bothered me. Although when I was in highschool I did stumble onto a few faces of death videos and to this day I can remember the videos with clarity like it was yesterday.
The one that stuck with me the most was a video of a man in a small room with reporters about to give a speech. He took the podium and was all fidgety, then he pulled out a pistol to which everyone of course freaked out. Then after a few seconds without warning he put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger. I remember being a teen and seeing that video, it felt wrong to be watching someone's last moment. I felt it wasnt my right, and was disresepectful to the dead to replay his death like this. I immediately wished I hadnt seen it, however I did repeat the video a good number of times. Possibly out of disbelief that it was real, not sure.
I will never forget when he pulled the trigger though, and immediately slumped down against the wall in a sitting position, the camera focused on his head, as he sat there blood literally was flowing out of his head.
I still wish I could erase it.
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Gore
Aug 10, 2015 7:13:17 GMT -6
Post by blake on Aug 10, 2015 7:13:17 GMT -6
Manbearpig! Half man, half bear-pig. Or was it half man-bear, half pig? Haha anyways... to the topic at hand... I dunno, I used to watch a ton of gory zombie movies and stuff and in more recent years felt inclined to skip over much of that stuff. I don't think it's healthy. It's one thing if you're a medic and researching how to better help people. But if you're just watching someone/thing getting brutalized for the entertainment value... I dunno, there's something within me that says we probably shouldn't be doing that. God created our bodies and everything in them, blood and guts included. And we are beautiful creations. But I suppose I'd compare it to sex. There is some really artistic and beautiful pornographic stuff out there (such as Lars von Trier's films). You could watch it with the intent to appreciate the art... but regardless, you're taking God's intent for sexuality outside of the confines of marriage which I believe is sinful and in the end unhealthy. Perhaps that's a very flawed comparison, but I hope you get what I'm saying? Are you truly watching that to better stomach it in case of a horrible situation or is it for your personal entertainment and pleasure? Is it glorifying to God and His creation? I'm not sure, but I know for myself that watching some of that stuff has not set well with me. This is slightly off-topic, but violence in movies is something I've thought a lot about over the years... Like I said, I used to love all the shoot 'em up over-the-top flicks like Robert Rodriguez's stuff, zombie movies, etc. The gorier the more entertaining. But a few films changed that for me... Hobo With A Shotgun just grossed me out due to the sadistic nature of the violence. I just felt gross and after that I lost interest in much of the other "grindhouse" style films I used to so enjoy. The one that has had the biggest effect on me though is Funny Games. I very hesitantly recommend this one highly. It is not an easy film to watch and intentionally makes the viewer uncomfortable and hate the movie. But it is also one of the only movies that I would say is truly "brilliant." I have never seen a movie that has invoked stronger emotions. At the surface, the movie is about two psychotic teenage boys who terrorize a family in a game of deadly cat-and-mouse. However, the movie is actually about violence in film and how we react to it. It totally changed my perception. It really makes you think about movies like Taken where one good guy is killing hundreds of bad guys and how we just love that and want more. They're all sex-slave traffickers - and just like zombies - we as the viewer have zero remorse for their brutal demise and instead get pleasure from seeing it. Is that godly and good? Is that Christ-like in the least? All that being said, I do still love horror films though I am much more selective now with what I watch. That is interesting. I may have to check that out, or at least look it up. I never thought about it like that. Of course we should feel a sort of righteous anger about the things that would anger God, like sex-trafficking, etc). However if we take pleasure in the slaughter of the men enacting these things I dont think that would make God happy either. Never looked at it from that perspective.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 11, 2015 1:18:36 GMT -6
The one that stuck with me the most was a video of a man in a small room with reporters about to give a speech. He took the podium and was all fidgety, then he pulled out a pistol to which everyone of course freaked out. Then after a few seconds without warning he put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger. I remember being a teen and seeing that video, it felt wrong to be watching someone's last moment. I felt it wasnt my right, and was disresepectful to the dead to replay his death like this. I immediately wished I hadnt seen it, however I did repeat the video a good number of times. Possibly out of disbelief that it was real, not sure. I will never forget when he pulled the trigger though, and immediately slumped down against the wall in a sitting position, the camera focused on his head, as he sat there blood literally was flowing out of his head. I still wish I could erase it. I've seen Bud Dwyer kill himself probably hundreds of times. (You described it well) So many mixed emotions - obviously there's the empathy elements realizing that he's a person, who had a family and he was so anguished that he killed himself on live TV. (I'm sure a lot of people inadvertently seeing it happen wish they could take it back as well.) The other side, which keeps me watching this sort of thing, is just the curiosity of how it folds out. Let's face it, we don't see someone shoot themselves in the mouth every day... and Hollywood copies it about 10% accurately. We could probably imagine what it looks like, but seeing the mannerisms / facial expressions of life leaving and the SOUNDS made... I have no idea why that makes me so curious. Another video I've seen WAY too many times is 15 seconds and is a Chechnyan solder getting beheaded with a combat knife. The sounds made is what gets most people. Again, not like Hollywood. ______________________ One video I wish I could take back seeing was of a girl who looked to be about 11 years old and she was throwing newborn crying baby puppies in a river to drown. ...and laughing and goofing off while she did it. I understand people and hurting/killing themselves and others because of sin, but its just seems that much more vile to hurt and destroy innocent and helpless baby animals. I pretty much wanted to punch this girl in the face...
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Aug 11, 2015 7:38:24 GMT -6
Post by blake on Aug 11, 2015 7:38:24 GMT -6
I had no idea who he was at the time and didnt know until you just mentioned his name. I googled and read the wikipedia page on him. Interesting, didnt know any of that.
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