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Post by thevociferator on Mar 6, 2017 12:58:05 GMT -6
Here's my rant.
I really don't understand why there needs to be 21+ music shows. (burlesque shows and other performances involving nudity can still be 21+, there's a need for to keep kids and really anyone from those) but two of my favorite bands are playing a show this month in both SF and LA and I want to go but I can't because I'm not 21 (even though i'll be 21 in two months). Does alcohol actually improve one's experience at a concert? Why is America so uptight about shows? The last all-ages diy venue closed in my city two months ago and haven't been at a show since and have been really bummed out. I performed a 21+ show and attended the rest of the show and really the only difference was the public drinking. There was still alcohol in other containers on the premise and weed smoked outside the allages venue.
Why the age discrimination? Am I that immature to go to a bar show and not order an alcoholic drink? I find this whole thing fucking stupid. copulating a stovetop stupid.
I'm almost 21 and can then forget about it and have fun but it's just stupid. I'm really disappointed that I have to miss out on two bands that I've been wanting to see just because i'm two months away from being 21.
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Post by Charles on Mar 7, 2017 12:51:44 GMT -6
In some cities the (largest city near me is San Diego, CA) you can rent a venue and setup a show yourself. If you are the promoter you can have an all-ages show. I know there is an initial risk involved, but if there is enough of a need, it might be a cool venture for someone like yourself to undertake. Start setting up your own all ages shows. If there are under 21's out there feeling like you, you could corner that market.
San Diego has a venue called ""Queen Bees" that does just that. I think "The Epicenter" does the same thing. Also, there is a venue in nearby Ramona called "The Ramona Main Stage" that only serves beer, yet is an all-ages venue. Maybe there could be something like that in your area.
You have identified a need; if you could fill that need, it might be a fulfilling goal for someone to pursue.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 7, 2017 15:44:54 GMT -6
Its not age discrimination. Its just America likes to hold on to archaic laws just because it was a law.
With my job, one of the programs I did, I had to be aware of this 200 year old mutilation law. ...which basically says that you can't ship lobster tails or meat to New Hampshire, Maine or Massachusetts.
You can ship live ones, just not "pieces", because that law considered it like mailing a cow leg to someone. ...sending steaks and chicken breasts is somehow allowed, but not lobster meat?
Yeah. Makes no sense. Just like the drinking/bar age law.
Worse case scenario though bro, is you'll have to wait 2 months until it doesn't matter to you for the rest of your life. LOL
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Post by barabbas on Mar 17, 2017 21:58:19 GMT -6
Here's my rant. I really don't understand why there needs to be 21+ music shows. (burlesque shows and other performances involving nudity can still be 21+, there's a need for to keep kids and really anyone from those) but two of my favorite bands are playing a show this month in both SF and LA and I want to go but I can't because I'm not 21 (even though i'll be 21 in two months). Does alcohol actually improve one's experience at a concert? Why is America so uptight about shows? The last all-ages diy venue closed in my city two months ago and haven't been at a show since and have been really bummed out. I performed a 21+ show and attended the rest of the show and really the only difference was the public drinking. There was still alcohol in other containers on the premise and weed smoked outside the allages venue. Why the age discrimination? Am I that immature to go to a bar show and not order an alcoholic drink? I find this whole thing fucking stupid. copulating a stovetop stupid. I'm almost 21 and can then forget about it and have fun but it's just stupid. I'm really disappointed that I have to miss out on two bands that I've been wanting to see just because i'm two months away from being 21. All ages is definitely where it's at. Out of curiosity: who did you want to see?
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Post by thevociferator on Mar 18, 2017 0:01:49 GMT -6
Ghost bath and astronoid
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Post by archdukeofmetal on Mar 19, 2017 8:37:07 GMT -6
I never saw it as a law thing, since venues will do all ages and 21+ shows, but more of a way for the bands to make sure kids weren't attending their shows, keep it a more "mature" audience. Although I don't see why it shouldn't just be 18+ in that case. But I mean, it's understandable for a promoter or a band not to want a 12 year old at a Marduk show or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 9:39:37 GMT -6
Actually, it has everything to do with the laws regarding alcohol, legal drinking age, and sale of alcohol to minors. The legal drinking age being 21, it is a law that has to be respected by the establishments, or else they could be shut down, lose their license, or fined, etc. If the show is 21+, then the venue eliminates the chances of selling alcohol to minors; in the case of minors who somehow get in illegally anyway, in the eyes of the law, the establishment is not at fault in a situation where a minor was sold alcohol, since he was there illegally, and the rules were clearly stipulated in advance: they were there at their own risk. The legal drinking age in the US should really be lowered to 18, it makes no sense for it to be at 21. Here in Quebec, the legal drinking age is 18, so we have less of a problem. I have been to shows though which were 18+ and a bunch of minors weren't allowed in; they thought it was an all-ages show. Anyway, to answer another question: Does alcohol actually improve one's experience at a concert? Yes. lol And I might add, who needs a concert?! [rofl]
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Post by thevociferator on Mar 19, 2017 14:55:43 GMT -6
I see nothing wrong with a 12 year old going to a marduk show. I have a friend here in Fresno who has a 5 year whom he brings to death metal and grindcore shows. As long as the kids know to stay away from big hulking moshers (away from Michael, definitely keep you kids from Michael, lol!)
this being said, no one should go to beatdown shows. No one should promote crowdkilling; it is immature overkill
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Post by Kaiheijinshu on Mar 19, 2017 18:10:25 GMT -6
Maybe the laws are slightly different in Iowa and Nebraska than in California, but I have been to a few non-21+ shows which served alcohol. Those under 21 are simply given a different-colored wristband or something along those lines. It sucks that the shows to which you want to go do not work like that.
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Post by thevociferator on Mar 19, 2017 18:39:33 GMT -6
Those exist and are cool but there are still shows that are strictly 21+
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 9:27:19 GMT -6
from big hulking moshers (away from Michael, definitely keep you kids from Michael, lol!) LOL! Y'know, I can't disagree with you there! haha this being said, no one should go to beatdown shows. No one should promote crowdkilling; it is immature overkill Can you elaborate on this? Not sure why Beatrdown is so bad, and not sure what crowdkilling is...?
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Post by thevociferator on Mar 20, 2017 10:21:17 GMT -6
beatdown crowdkilling
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Post by Charles on Mar 21, 2017 12:55:13 GMT -6
What a flagrant display of immaturity displayed in those videos. I would be offended if that type of childish behavior happened during a set that I was playing. It would show that those involved are not really paying attention to the music. It would show a shallow devotion of fan loyalty at best and reveal that the true motives of attending that show was not to experience the band or the live performance of the songs.
That type of shallow behavior must ruin the experience for true fans of the band or true music fans that came to enjoy a performance. Instead of being immersed in what they came to see, they have to be distracted by defending themselves from the childish display of "compensating for something."
Thank God no one acts like this at a black metal show. At least not that I have seen. If it did, that would be the biggest insult to the talent, professionalism, and dedicated hard work of the musicians performing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 13:34:19 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't mind the existence of mosh pits (never been in one; I would get destroyed because I'm so small), but this whole "crowdkilling" thing is so stupid. In the first clip of the second video, you see a staff member get attacked. And during the same clip, the vocalist in the song that plays during the video says, "No one in this room is safe." Stupid.
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Post by exo on Mar 21, 2017 15:03:37 GMT -6
That looks like pretty much every "local act" show I've been to around here in the last decade.
It's also why I pretty much hate almost every death-core band I've encountered. Those bands seem to attract this crowd moreso than any other....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 8:51:47 GMT -6
This seems like something I wouldn't enjoy, but others might. This is the type of show that I would have brought a knife to, in my old life, and things could have gotten pretty ugly.
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Post by thevociferator on May 20, 2017 3:12:23 GMT -6
Well guys i think i'll make the declaration here since this is where it's most relevant:
I'm 21 now!!!!!! YAY! I now can go to 21+ shows! Now there's no ned to ever miss a show because of my age. whoopie
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Post by exo on May 20, 2017 3:34:33 GMT -6
I JUST got back in town from seeing my buddies in Dagon (3 releases on Bombworks records; former label mates with A Hill to Die Upon and Lo-Ruhumah for those that may not know) for the first time since their return from hiatus. It's been 5 years since I saw the band play, 4 years since I last saw any of them face to face. Many hugs were given throughout the night, it has been way, WAY too long.
Got to hear two new songs, one of which has already jumped to the top of my "favorite Dagon songs" after a single listen. I just LOVE the way they've added some doomy melancholy to some of their songwriting.
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Post by thevociferator on Jun 14, 2017 3:12:17 GMT -6
hijacking this thread to pose a question.
I kinda wanna do a Ferguson live set with no screams or growls, only singing and uncomfortable heaving sounds and moans.....while playing my guitar with a clean tone. It would be the most intimate show I would ever put on and I might actually get a reaction
what are your thoughts on this? noisecore with clean tone guitar and bass, with singing and moans and maybe vomit sounds but no conventional screams and growls
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Jun 14, 2017 10:03:17 GMT -6
It doesn't sound like a great idea to me... For one, a live show is not the place to try something new. For two, it just doesn't sound like something I'd like - unless it was hilarious, then I'd like it but for a completely different reason than what's probably intended...
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Post by Kerrick on Jun 14, 2017 10:43:25 GMT -6
Yeah I'd tend to agree with Thomas on that one. However, I think a mixture of both sounds could sound pretty sweet, such as clean vocals with heavy guitars or growls with clean guitars, etc. intermixed throughout the songs. I'm not a big grindcore fan because I find most of it pretty monotonous and boring, but adding that depth and range could really enhance your sound? My two cents anyways!
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