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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 8, 2017 19:34:25 GMT -6
Depends on the time of year. When I mow, I'll actually go through a whole album at least once a week. I try to pick something I like well enough to have. Often, something I haven't listened to very often.
If I only listened to an album I "liked" 1-3 times ever, I don't really see the point of even owning it.... but I no longer "collect" albums.
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Post by _ on Aug 8, 2017 23:07:14 GMT -6
I definitely wouldn't recommend it. Check this out for some very creepy information on Ancestry's terms and services. I scanned through that and will put that DNA business on hold for now -- thank you. Wintersoul's album, Broken Flesh's 2 newest albums These rock. And I understand just going for the classic when doing something like working out (lawlz at the RRPs you mentioned). Thomas & CW, I feel you.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 14, 2017 12:35:49 GMT -6
Here's my random question, after the question setup of course.
Backstreet Boys *NSYNC Britney Spears Celine Dion Bon Jovi Def Leppard Nick Carter Kelly Clarkson Pink Avril Lavigne Enrique Iglesias Apocalyptica Daughtry Katy Perry Carrie Underwood Kesha Usher Nicki Minaj Justin Bieber Taylor Swift Christina Aguilera Shakira Jennifer Lopez Robin Thicke Selena Gomez Adele Nick Jonas Justin Timberlake Lana Del Rey (I'm going to stop here even though this is a PARTIAL list)
...what they have in common is their "hit" songs, were ALL written by 1 Swedish dude named Max Martin.
While that helps explain why all pop music sounds the same and is stagnant as hell, here's my question....
Why?
Not why is this successful, or why are ALL of these and more wrote from one person, but WHY is pop(ular) music a "monopoly" like this? With all the money in mainstream music, and I'm assuming there's talent elsewhere, WHY nobody else?
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Post by _ on Aug 14, 2017 13:06:40 GMT -6
Wow! That's crazy -- I didn't know that about that dude.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 14:21:09 GMT -6
I wish that popular music was good. I wish that good music was popular.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Aug 15, 2017 8:50:02 GMT -6
I wish that good music was popular. As strange as it sounds, I kind of like that finding good music is almost like buried treasure. ...but on the other hand, I wish the general population wouldn't hear something (like from our scene) and have a perpetual face as a reaction to it.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 14, 2017 21:00:13 GMT -6
Is anybody else here just ... totally fine with metal that has no distinguishable riffs? Riffs seem to be such a huge deal to metalheads, but I just don't really care. I was just listening to a few seconds of Offerblod's Sönderknullad since I mentioned it in a post a few minutes ago, and I realized... the only song I don't like on it is the one where the guitars are up front and center. Mind you the riff in that song is extremely repetitive, but still. It's the same thing with Reverorum ib Malacht's Christian albums. I don't know - are there even guitars on those albums?? I can't even tell and I don't really mind. The other instruments (and noise, if applicable) make up for the guitars, to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 21:09:05 GMT -6
I basically need discernible riffs. They are what make the music interesting to me.
To be honest, if a song doesn't have guitars (or electronically generated noises meant to sound like guitars), I don't think it should be considered metal at all.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 15, 2017 7:34:29 GMT -6
Is anybody else here just ... totally fine with metal that has no distinguishable riffs? Riffs seem to be such a huge deal to metalheads, but I just don't really care. I basically need discernible riffs. They are what make the music interesting to me. I'm not sure I understand the "question"? Being that a riff is a repeated "phrase" in music, unless its insanely technical, its still a riff irregardless of what instruments are used. A riff being "distinguishable" immediately makes me think of the noise genres? I like noise, but there are times where I crave music that's not "noisy".
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 15, 2017 9:11:22 GMT -6
Should have specified "guitar" riffs, sorry And I don't know if I'd say I ever specifically want to hear music with "riffs" (guitar or otherwise, now that I think about it). I listen to music with riffs, and I enjoy it, but whether it has riffs has no impact on whether I want to listen to it at any given time.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 19, 2017 15:27:47 GMT -6
Guitars shimtars. I love music without them. Same with drums. ....if its done right.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 22, 2017 9:32:17 GMT -6
Here's a random question. Can you criticize a critic without being a total jerk? Every project I've done, there's been some likes and dislikes. I get that - even with my newest musical efforts, I'd still consider my releases as "above average" at best. Here's some negative feedback for the new Orationem. I'll be the first to admit Orationem is NOT an easy listen. Its harsh and unforgiving. Its unpolished and relentless. I understand, within reason, that it would just sound like a noisy mess to some people.... but on the other hand "I can't identify ANY melody or riff whatsoever" from a "metal warrior" on a forum makes me think.... REALLY? You listened to it and it just sounds like drums and static or something? My country music listening wife can even discern many of the album's riffs and melodies so.... I'm not able to 100% identify with his "honest" feedback?
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Sept 22, 2017 10:28:06 GMT -6
I would probably just ask politely for an explanation, and point out that you are genuinely confused about their feedback. If they keep up a civil discussion, try and come to an agreement. If they start to get hostile, just let it go / drop it and accept that it's their problem to deal with.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 22, 2017 12:03:03 GMT -6
I responded to them yesterday. ...with the "I understand its a hard listen" points. It never crossed my mind to ask them "why?" they can't discern ANY melodies.
I can't say anything to make someone hear something they can't hear. If the "honest" part is actually BS, and they're just trolling because I'm an American *cough* or their understanding of black metal is absent beyond Antestor, then there's nothing I could say to change anything there either.
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Post by Borndead on Sept 23, 2017 5:03:28 GMT -6
"I can't identify ANY melody or riff whatsoever" from a "metal warrior" In my book this means that he didn´t listen to the track or if he did, just didn´t like it. Poor choise of words. Whenever I feel like I can´t hear anything of value in a song; it´s because I don´t care about it & don´t want to focus on it. I wouldn't bother about such comments there's no constructive criticism in it but just a "opinion" of a "metal warrior"
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Post by exo on Sept 23, 2017 6:12:10 GMT -6
Here's a random question. Can you criticize a critic without being a total jerk? Every project I've done, there's been some likes and dislikes. I get that - even with my newest musical efforts, I'd still consider my releases as "above average" at best. Here's some negative feedback for the new Orationem. I'll be the first to admit Orationem is NOT an easy listen. Its harsh and unforgiving. Its unpolished and relentless. I understand, within reason, that it would just sound like a noisy mess to some people.... but on the other hand "I can't identify ANY melody or riff whatsoever" from a "metal warrior" on a forum makes me think.... REALLY? You listened to it and it just sounds like drums and static or something? My country music listening wife can even discern many of the album's riffs and melodies so.... I'm not able to 100% identify with his "honest" feedback? Disregard it. Your production is, to put it lightly, generally "rough" sounding. Personally, I would MUCH rather hear you "cleaner", with an ear towards a "massive wall of sound" that retains clarity. You'd sound absolutely awesome with actual bass lines and a killer production job from somewhere like Random Awesome studios over in Saginaw. (Dagon recorded their best sounding disc over there, and the dude KNOWS "punch" and "clarity" like no other.....) But it's at the very least semi-intentional, to fit the vibe of the music, and it does that quite well. To say that one can't hear the melodies involved, well....that particular individual has an ear canal obstruction. Wax maybe, but more likely to be the pointy end of a pencil or something.....
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Sept 23, 2017 7:15:48 GMT -6
To say that one can't hear the melodies involved, well....that particular individual has an ear canal obstruction. Wax maybe, but more likely to be the pointy end of a pencil or something..... LOLOL "Stop the Q-tip when there's resistance sir!" [rofl] In my book this means that he didn´t listen to the track or if he did, just didn´t like it. Poor choise of words. Whenever I feel like I can´t hear anything of value in a song; it´s because I don´t care about it & don´t want to focus on it. I agree. Probably a poor choice of words on his part - perhaps a language barrier? When it comes to black metal, if I have trouble "hearing its value" but I can discern enough to realize its potential, I listen harder. I listen through different formats if that's what it takes (ie: if I don't "get" it through speakers, then I'll give it a shot with headphones) For some reason, to me, this hard-listen adds an element of mystery, which only enhances its "blackness". Probably why I have a particular fondness for lo-fi entries. Your production is, to put it lightly, generally "rough" sounding. Personally, I would MUCH rather hear you "cleaner", with an ear towards a "massive wall of sound" that retains clarity. You'd sound absolutely awesome with actual bass lines and a killer production job from somewhere like Random Awesome studios over in Saginaw. (Dagon recorded their best sounding disc over there, and the dude KNOWS "punch" and "clarity" like no other.....) But it's at the very least semi-intentional, to fit the vibe of the music, and it does that quite well. I agree. A certain percentage of my release's production has to do with personal preference (I want some mystery), the rest is a matter of convenience. If I had the means to use an awesome studio, I would do so... but I don't see myself releasing new albums/songs every 6 months/1 year if I had to drop $500 per album in studio fees. "Free to record" doesn't have as good of sonics, but free is free.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Oct 9, 2017 12:08:08 GMT -6
Am I the only person who isn't bothered by that grind band "Fuck the Devil"? Here is a song if you're curious. 1) English isn't their first language, so they may not even know that it's a swear word 2) Although we shouldn't wholeheartedly embrace swearing, we have much bigger problems in this world. If FtD's biggest problem is that they swear sometimes, I would say they're in pretty good shape.
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Post by _ on Oct 9, 2017 21:15:03 GMT -6
I can dig it. Personally, I'm not bothered by it.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Oct 10, 2017 9:04:10 GMT -6
Am I the only person who isn't bothered by that grind band "Fuck the Devil"? Here is a song if you're curious. 1) English isn't their first language, so they may not even know that it's a swear word 2) Although we shouldn't wholeheartedly embrace swearing, we have much bigger problems in this world. If FtD's biggest problem is that they swear sometimes, I would say they're in pretty good shape. That's a pretty solid track. The album cover looks very familiar so I think I've stumbled upon these guys before in my search for good underground Christian music. As far as them knowing if its a swear word, well... fuck is still a swear word in Portugal, so.... they know. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_profanityI have mixed feelings about this, and its not so much about swearing at all. I've heard it said at AA meetings, if you're willing to walk 10 blocks in a nasty blizzard to get a bottle of whiskey vs willing to walk 10 blocks in a nasty blizzard to attend an AA meeting what's really different in the behavior? Likewise, someone making a band that's called "Fuck the Christ" vs someone making a band called "Fuck the Devil" ...sure, its "hate" for two very different things, but its still hate, its still aggression/violence, its still the same behavior. To answer your question though, no, it doesn't bother me. Not in the slightest. Its tacky, and I wouldn't wear a shirt with their logo on it, but I'm not offended. I would say that this music isn't FOR Christians at all. I would say this is more of a fist to the throat to those who may have sentiments for the devil, than it is for being something extreme metal fans in "the choir" can enjoy.
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Post by Borndead on Oct 10, 2017 11:18:38 GMT -6
bothered by that grind band "Fuck the Devil"? Here is a song if you're curious. I think I´ve heard them before, not my cup of tea. Personaly I`m not into the name..it´s not that I´m bothered or offended by it, but the use of it seems kinda cheap or adolescent. As Thomas Eversole said hate is hate and yeah I wouldn´t wear their shirt.
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Post by _ on Nov 13, 2017 15:05:26 GMT -6
What do Slechtvalk do when they're not playing music?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 14, 2017 10:06:34 GMT -6
Some super secret information I've obtained after rigorous research for hours.... When the members of Sletchvalk are not playing music, they are in fact using their eyes and their legs on a very regular basis.
Walking. Looking. Looking at things. Walking around.
This post will self destruct (or not) in 36 minutes so this information doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
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Post by _ on Nov 15, 2017 22:23:57 GMT -6
Y'all reading anything cool in the Bible these days?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 17, 2017 12:06:37 GMT -6
Y'all reading anything cool in the Bible these days? I have a habit of scouring the bible for oddities and cultural things - stuff that interests me outside of spiritual growth. Something I stumbled upon last night. Apparently the Church of Corinth were "mofos", literally, and "proud" of it. Paul breaks a foot off to them 1st Corinthians Ch.5. ....and points out this is something even pagans find disgusting. With pride in this context defined as "satisfaction derived from an achievement", I couldn't help but wonders.... why this Church, found "sleeping with their father's wives" as a "success"? It wasn't accepted in Christianity, or else Paul would have probably said nothing. It wasn't accepted outside of Christianity, hence Paul pointing out even heathens don't do this. So.... why was this happening? That church was just a bunch of pervs? Was it a bunch of milfs surrounded by hot young men and hormones were running rampant? If it was hormones that went against their beliefs, they would have most likely felt shame or disgust.... but according to that chapter, they felt the opposite of shame about it. As intriguing as it is stomach turning...
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 26, 2017 8:11:30 GMT -6
This might be a bit deep for the "random questions" thread, but its a slow day at work so.... here goes. I guess if there's any replies, it will be well worth it. There's a YouTube channel I like with some rather dark/morbid lo-fi cartoonage, but there's also some atheistic propaganda to wade through. One cartoon in one of his newer videos in particular made me think a little bit. Its almost got a 16bit quality to it, if you want to picture it mentally. It has 2 green guys. One "good", one "bad". They both get struck by lightning and fall down and both are ( x - x) faced on the ground. It zooms in on the bad guy and shows him in a "pit", strapped to like a vertical table and getting stabbed in the chest with a pitch fork by a cloaked shadowy figure. Needless to say, this green bad guy is screaming his brains out as he's getting stabbed. (It stays on that animation for a bit, so +1 creepy/awkward points for non stop blood curdling screaming.) It then zooms in on the good guy, and shows him standing in some clouds. There's all these people singing - with a churchish melody that repeats after 5 notes and tons of reverb. He looks over and Jesus is there just staring at him with a face. The green good guy has a expression. Just like the screaming animation, it goes on for a bit, with the continuous singing. "A billion years later" The bad guy is still in the pit, still getting stabbed in the chest, but his blood curdling screams have been replaced with a "Ouch!" "oof!" "Ugh!" "Guh!" "OW!". The good guy is still standing in the clouds. The same churchish singing is going on. Jesus is still staring at him with a face. The green good guy has a bit of a expression. "A trillion bajillion years later" The bad guy is still in the pit, still getting stabbed in the chest, but he's just subtly grunting each poke. His eyes blink sometimes per stab, but mostly just has an annoyed face. The good guy is still standing in the clouds. The same churchish singing is going on. Jesus is still staring at him with a face. His expression is still but cranked up a few notches, and actually looks more "in pain" than the dude getting stabbed. That's the end of that "skit". I guess my question is somewhere in the realm of repetition and perspective, and how that works with "eternity"? There's only so many things that can happen to a person, or they can do, before it starts feeling "mundane". I mean, your first day of being able to fly like superman would be super exhilarating. ....but I can't wrap my head around that same exhilaration after you've flown around all day, every day, for a trillion bajillion years. It would just seem like breathing at that point I'd think. Is "repetition = annoying" removed when we're in heaven? How about those in hell? One of the reasons we can somewhat grasp something as "holy" is because we can see "unholy" to contrast it. ...but that comparison is removed in a place of 100% holy, or 100% unholy. Anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this?
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Nov 26, 2017 10:54:08 GMT -6
Oh, I know what channel you're talking about Thomas, though I've only seen a handful of videos from that dude. Well, it's a really oversimplified view of things, no matter how you look at it. Obviously there's more to Heaven than standing there while Jesus stares at us with a creeper face. Likewise there's more to Hell than being stabbed in the same way over and over again. So the premise is flawed from the get-go; the point being made is more-or-less lost in the misrepresentation of the scenarios it's commenting on. Also the bodies we have in the afterlife don't work like our physical bodies. Our physical bodies are made of finite matter and eventually decay (and are also hardwired to adapt to things, to ensure survival) which is why one would become numb to being stabbed over and over. Without a biological need (survival of the species, reproduction) for survival, and without the concept of dying, the sensation of pain wouldn't become more mundane with time.
Oh, the skit also assumes that one would get tired of being with Jesus. If one truly considers Jesus to be a "friend" or a "brother" (in the theological sense of the word "brother"), would one really react like that to being with Him? People seem to try to depersonalize God. On one hand, for example, they'll say it's wrong for God to "judge" people. On the other hand, they'll turn right around and judge God as if it's somehow different. Likewise, they seem to try desperately to view God as this fictional and aloof concept, but also try equally desperately to make Him seem like the bad guy, which is self-contradictory, since a thing can't be irrelevant and aloof, AND the most evilest thing in the whole wide universe. Anyway, if one truly loves their spouse, will they get tired of being around their spouse, or will they grow old together and be one of those "sweet old couples" that sits on park benches and feeds waterfowl? If one loves their best friend (in the theological sense obviously, not romantic) will they get tired of having that friend in their life, or will they sit in a retirement home one day, still joking and reminiscing? God is not separate from this. God has more power and a clearer perspective than our human companions, but God is still a sentient being and a companion of ours. To live in the comfort of God's kingdom isn't something that we'd get tired of.
As for repetition, it definitely becomes mundane/annoying on earth, but we have to remember also, earth itself can be pretty mundane and annoying. We try something new, we enjoy it, we idealize it, it doesn't hold our interest for as long as we'd like, and we look for something else. We hear a message a bunch of times, and get tired of hearing it. But the things we try on earth are imperfect and can't hold up to our expectations. The messages we hear on earth are often delivered with malicious intent, or are delivered in a way that's meant to be "shocking". But in our adaptive minds, shock value only lasts so long, and then we get tired of it, and the original meaning becomes lost. Heaven and Hell won't be like this. We may learn about them in the same way we learn about other things, but the places themselves are more complicated than words can describe. It's easy to say one would get "tired" of Hell, because our physical selves would get tired of "being burned". But that's just how Hell can be described to us in a way we can understand. We live in a world where both good and evil reside. Hell will have none of the good that this world has. Somebody in Hell won't get used to it, because there will be a constant desire for some kind of good. And as I said above, there's no reason for the new body or mind to "adapt" outside of a biological framework (this world), the spirit thirsts for God, not the ability to adapt to one's surroundings. That thirst will continually be quenched in Heaven, and continually not be quenched in Hell. It can, I suppose, be compared to some physical phenomena. Like if you don't eat, you'll starve. If you don't drink any fluid, you'll dehydrate. Those are things we can adapt to for a short time, but not permanently. So it is with God. So what it all comes down to is, I can see the metaphor the video is presenting, but it's based on false pretenses and is substantially flawed to the point I feel quite comfortable kicking the dust off my feet and moving on from it.
I wrote 99% of this off the top of my head, I readily acknowledge there might be slight problems with what I wrote here, but for now, it all seems to make sense, so I'm gonna go ahead and submit this.
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Post by Borndead on Nov 26, 2017 11:59:48 GMT -6
That´s something I´ve seen quite a bit. satan has done a good job making people think that heaven is only a place where everyone will be chilling on clouds and not doing anything. Also he made hell look like a big house party where people will get together having partys like Caligula did. To bad that people are to proud to see the truth.
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Post by barabbas on Nov 28, 2017 23:21:34 GMT -6
I think NI and Borndead covered it pretty well. These are common cultural misunderstandings. Here's the response video, I think.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Nov 30, 2017 8:24:46 GMT -6
As for repetition, it definitely becomes mundane/annoying on earth, but we have to remember also, earth itself can be pretty mundane and annoying. We try something new, we enjoy it, we idealize it, it doesn't hold our interest for as long as we'd like, and we look for something else. We hear a message a bunch of times, and get tired of hearing it. But the things we try on earth are imperfect and can't hold up to our expectations. Somebody in Hell won't get used to it, because there will be a constant desire for some kind of good. And as I said above, there's no reason for the new body or mind to "adapt" outside of a biological framework (this world), the spirit thirsts for God, not the ability to adapt to one's surroundings. That thirst will continually be quenched in Heaven, and continually not be quenched in Hell. Interesting points. ...but if a sense of "the mundane" doesn't exist through repetition in heaven, who's to say that we won't just be just singing 5 notes for infinity (praising God) and loving every second of it? [rofl]
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