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Mar 7, 2015 9:24:06 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 9:24:06 GMT -6
Anybody familiar with this Ukrainian Black Metal band? They make slower, atmospheric Black Metal with small Folk influences. Pretty impressing! I'm really tempted to buy their album "Blood in our Wells"... Exactly my kind of music! To speak about lyrics... on their bandcamp-page they state that their lyrics are about "nature mysticism, the passing of seasons, philosophy, Ukrainian mythology, legends and history - often inspired by the works of nineteenth and twentieth century Ukrainian poets." So far I haven't found anything offensive, just very thoughtful texts, often old poems I definitely recommend you to check them out, looks like they could easily become one of my favourite bands ever
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Drudkh
Mar 7, 2015 13:00:29 GMT -6
Post by Kerrick on Mar 7, 2015 13:00:29 GMT -6
For some reason I had in my mind that there was something in their lyrics I wasn't down with... but I don't remember now. I know you and I are pretty similar in our "lyrical requirements" of bands - I'd definitely recommend closely looking into them before you buy.
But yes, very good band with a spectacular sound!
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Mar 7, 2015 13:17:33 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 13:36:55 GMT -6
I read through a lot of their lyrics (there are many translations available e.g. at the encyclopaedia metallum or darklyrics) and couldn't find anything that bothered me. But everyone should look it up themselves! You're right NoSleep, some see a connection to NSBM because members of Drudkh played in Hate Forest, but as far as I read, Drudkh distanced themselves from both NSBM and any other political views, just read through the thread NoSleep mentioned, vor look at their encyclopaedia site Edit: But you cannot be sure if The people in drudkh aren't racist...many discussions on the Internet...maybe it's better to be careful with that Band... EDIT2: It definetly is, in Hate Forest they actually dedicated a CD to a SS unit... Disgusting, already wrote a mail to cancel my order. Why do I always find such stuff AFTER I ordered it, maybe I need to look even more closely than this time...
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Drudkh
Mar 7, 2015 18:51:08 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 7, 2015 18:51:08 GMT -6
Hi. Odd man out here. I've been familiar with Drudkh and have no qualms listening to their art, regardless of the lyrics or who they dedicate their music to.
Why? Well... they're not Christian. They play a genre of music heavily reputed with darkness and evil. Bands and their members do things like this.
I would consider Extol with a band picture of themselves throwing middle fingers to be much more offensive and I cannot stomach listening to them because of my forever-changed perspective on them. ....but to me, this is completely different.
Extol is (or maybe was) a Christian band, with Christian lyrics and Christian members - and for them to have media that goes completely against that, couldn't be a worse Tu Quoque. It makes me sick to even think about it because I hold them to Christian standards. I cannot accept unChristian behavior from Christians.
I can totally accept a pagan acting like a pagan. A satanist acting like a Satanist. Etc. Etc. A racist acting like a racist.
...and buying a CD or a download of art you like that's dedicated to the SS does not mean that the buyer/listener/fan 1) supports racism 2) is a racist 3) will become a racist 4) hates Jesus 5) thinks white people are superior 6) thinks skin color makes any difference whatsoever 7) is or will become a nazi 8) justifies Hitler's crimes 9) thinks Hitler was cool 10) hates jews 11) plays a cowbell 12) doesn't eat celery 13) stands in oatmeal 14) pees in a lawn chair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 1:44:23 GMT -6
Yeah, I can understand your point, and that totally makes sense, but it looks like I have a total different view regarding these things. I just can't listen to ANY kind of music without let's say a "bitter taste" when I know that their members could still be involved in such actions. And of course, Black Metal is mostly considered evil, dark, satanic, etc. but for me it isn't. It's maybe an extreme kind of Art, but nevertheless it is just Art. And at least some bands do that: make good music with still having no extreme views etc. I know that this maybe sounds strange, or that I am a bit naive looking for "not evil Black Metal Bands", but that's just the way I think, nothing I can do about it I guess^^
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Drudkh
Mar 8, 2015 6:24:46 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 8, 2015 6:24:46 GMT -6
What you're saying makes perfect sense though. I completely agree that its an extreme art. I do think most of it (at least what I listen to) is dark/evil/etc. ...but its just people trying to be that. Its just my perspective, but human's trying to be "evil" doesn't have any power. (over me)
This is something I've spent a lot of time praying/meditating about and I feel no conviction (anymore) because it doesn't interfere with my relationship with Christ. I might get some heat for this (as the minority) and I realize I'll come across as cut from a different cloth, but my personal conviction is - if (any secular) black metal bothers me and my faith, my faith isn't strong enough.
There's nothing to recoil from because the words (aka "show") and upside down crosses and baphomets (just pictures) and bands/people trying to be evil is filed under "scary media" in my book. If its well done, I'll enjoy it for the art and I don't take it personally or spiritually. Also under "scary media" is scary movies - some of which are NR/R - some of which are PG. If its well done, I'll enjoy it and I don't take it personally or spiritually. Also under "scary media" is Teletubbies. I don't do drugs anymore so I no longer enjoy this.
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Mar 8, 2015 7:18:58 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 7:18:58 GMT -6
I'm with asarja and Kerrick on all of this. Although I could listen to black metal with evil themes and it wouldn't harm my faith. However, I would never be able to listen to it without feeling incredibly guilty. Beyond that, if I'm giving my money to those artists, there's no telling what they're going to do with it.
There's a huge difference between scary movies and black metal with evil themes. People like to make music that reflects their lifestyle. That's why we have Christian black metal bands. The Satanic/Pagan/etc. black metal bands, while not all of them might actually be Satanists/Pagans, probably write their music to reflect their lifestyle. I doubt that the director for any horror movie is actually an evil person.
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Drudkh
Mar 8, 2015 9:26:46 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 8, 2015 9:26:46 GMT -6
I expect most of the members on this forum, most Christian metal fans in general, to share your views. I shared the same guilt at one time. ....but no more.
Regarding giving "these people" money, what do you think they'll do with it? Do you really think it will be that different from anyone else just trying to make ends meet in life?
Buying a $10-$20 CD (including shipping) isn't just free cash lining the pockets of the artist, by the way. I can share my firsthand experience with how much I "make" as a musician. I can also share what other labels have shared with me.
If they released the album themselves, they had to pay to have the CDs made - a short run may cost them $3-$4 a CD to press professionally made duplicates. (that's what any major short run duplicators will charge)
A $6 to $12 markup sounds good for a release, but keep in mind - they had to spend $1000 or more in a studio. If they recorded the release themselves, (like I do) they would still need some software and hardware - even basic or out of date equipment can still run hundreds to thousands of dollars. (for me, pretty close to a grand on equipment - more for that in instruments)
Larger bands will replicate (not duplicate) 5,000 album copies - which costs $1 a CD to make... but again keep in mind of how many CDs would have to be sold, just to break even. (The Path Less Traveled Records told me this regarding Vesperian Sorrow's newest - they offered me the same deal for the Ankou Awaits "Crog Buide" album, but I didn't want to spend 5 G's since I'm not touring)
People that create art (movies, music, paintings, etc.) reflect their tastes/likes, and their lifestyle. Black metal evil is very showy and what I call "tryhard" evil. Your REAL evil (the type you as a Christian need to worry about) is from people who don't wear black, have right side up crosses, are in your local church and political offices and patiently wait in hiding to strike.
I mentioned this in my very first post here when I signed up - I'm not happy with the segregating from the Christian underground metal scene - bands, fans, all of the above. We want people who aren't Christians to hear our music, as a witness - but we treat them like "those" "evil people" who need to just stay "over there" because we can't even enjoy their dirty, filthy art without being ridden with guilt. (even though we'd probably REALLY enjoy it if it was from "one of us")
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Would you like to know how many satanic/pagan/etc. black metal bands/reviewers I've contacted, we shared art and discussions went from music to other things? (like beliefs?)
THAT is how you get your foot in the door to witness to somebody on the complete opposite side of the fence. Not making/selling/listening to music that goes against "those" beliefs and treating their music/passion as hazardous material.
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Mar 8, 2015 9:41:15 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 9:41:15 GMT -6
To say this first: I can fully relate to someone, who doesn't want to listen to music, if he/she feels uncomfortable with the contents.
I have a different opinion about that 'lifestyle'-thing though. I mean, from my experiences satanic/misanthropic [...] lyrics (in 90-95% of all cases) are reflected as much in the lifestyle of people as gore lyrics are reflected in the lifestyle of a death metal musician, so to say. Most of the time these people live quite regular lifes, with regular jobs, their circle of friends, the girlfriends/wifes and kids. Of course there are the few stories everybody knows (early 90s/Norway or about Jon of Dissection for example), but in most cases satanism/paganism doesn't go beyond listening to other bands with these lyrics, going to concerts and knowing some catch-phrases. I'm definitely not writing this to mock anyone in bm, but I think it's just a matter of fact (and has always been part of metal culture). Don't know, perhaps there might be some more really 'convinced' people in so called NSBM, as this stuff definitely drew the attention of people from the RAC scene for example.
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Mar 8, 2015 10:39:12 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 10:39:12 GMT -6
Being a person who has never been involved in the actual creation of this music, I will say, I did not know that it was quite that costly. After reading Tom's post and No Sleep's too, I will say that I didn't originally realize most of that.
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Drudkh
Mar 8, 2015 11:12:42 GMT -6
Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 8, 2015 11:12:42 GMT -6
What Kai said reminded me...
During my dark period where I was drunk and high every day (but I still had my faith, and they knew it) I was the drummer for a secular goregrind band for a solid year, 2003. The lyric themes included pedophilia and other violent sexual perversions, violence against Christians, Satan and other anti-Christian themes.
I not only was their drummer, but we were housemates as well - so we knew each other very well.
These guys (like myself) would NEVER hurt a kid, would never rape, would never hurt or even disrespect a Christian (remember, they knew me as one and I was their comrade! They had family members that were Christian!) and the word "Satan" was only spoken in song.
We were just your typical long haired, whiskey drinking, bowl smokin, horror movie watchin' metalheads. Wouldn't hurt a fly because we'd rather jam. Its all part of the show, and its only a show.
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Drudkh
Mar 9, 2015 16:44:45 GMT -6
Post by Kerrick on Mar 9, 2015 16:44:45 GMT -6
Aha, yes, I knew I heard some stuff that was rather disconcerting...
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