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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Feb 15, 2020 15:15:44 GMT -6
Would you guys consider this black metal? I'm leaning toward "no", I think it's more death/thrash, but...? What do you think?
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 16, 2020 9:42:17 GMT -6
Definitely not black metal. Definitely more thrash/death.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Feb 20, 2020 17:34:52 GMT -6
Ditched someone today. CLASSIC "fair-weather friend". Was SO NICE to me when we were just goofing off in a game. Really hit it off. But since they were faced with the reality that I don't have a magical cure for my chronic mental disorders and in REAL LIFE, problems don't just "go away" with some half-assed advice, they insulted me and threw my problems, back in my face.
How do I keep meeting people like this? Well, whatever. I'm obviously pretty upset about this, but I also feel ... "liberated". I pretty much knew this would happen, it was only a matter of "when". Now I don't have to keep wondering, and I can get on with life. For what it's worth, I appreciate that you guys support me whenever things get rough. It's surprisingly hard to find people like that!
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Post by julienbakerfan on Feb 20, 2020 23:44:03 GMT -6
Today's manufactured Christian metal scene drama: members of Stryper smoking cigars. Meanwhile, me, worrying about what's really important in music: "Why did Bound for Glory put out like 20 albums? It was time to hang up the jackboots years ago." I feel you nocturnaliridescence , but more with people giving me crappy health advice for some of my chronic problems. Then again, that's probably what I get for complaining so much.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Feb 21, 2020 8:39:47 GMT -6
Then again, that's probably what I get for complaining so much. Man, people like us deserve to complain. If "humans" are so "innately good"; if "humans" are "innately social"; if it "benefits the species" to "help each other", then people have to understand that SOMETIMES LIFE SUCKS and part of their narcissistic anthropocentric utopia involves people having problems, and wanting to talk about them. That's part of being "social"! I'm so sick of people making [people like us] feel guilty for having problems in life. Like no I don't know what to do about it, but it annoys me, and I won't have patience for people that try to push their pathetic little wishy-washy pseudo-psychological fantasy agendas. If they want to live in denial of the world's problems and play mental tricks on themselves to keep up their fake smiles, then hey, what can I do to stop them? But I won't let them drag me into it! NONE of us should allow them to drag us into it!
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Post by anfauglith on Feb 21, 2020 13:23:19 GMT -6
I think I became a kind of (christian?) agnostic (again). There still are quite a few things in christianity that attract to me but on the other side many teachings and ideas on how ones personal life should go when you are a christian never ever work with me and I am sick of being forced to live under the constant burden of making myself a bad conscience over things I cannot change or that are a otherwise cherished part of my unique personality. So I decided not to bother any more.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Feb 21, 2020 14:32:17 GMT -6
I think I became a kind of (christian?) agnostic (again). There still are quite a few things in christianity that attract to me but on the other side many teachings and ideas on how ones personal life should go when you are a christian never ever work with me and I am sick of being forced to live under the constant burden of making myself a bad conscience over things I cannot change or that are a otherwise cherished part of my unique personality. So I decided not to bother any more. What denomination are/were you?
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Post by julienbakerfan on Feb 21, 2020 14:40:46 GMT -6
Then again, that's probably what I get for complaining so much. Man, people like us deserve to complain. If "humans" are so "innately good"; if "humans" are "innately social"; if it "benefits the species" to "help each other", then people have to understand that SOMETIMES LIFE SUCKS and part of their narcissistic anthropocentric utopia involves people having problems, and wanting to talk about them. That's part of being "social"! I'm so sick of people making [people like us] feel guilty for having problems in life. Like no I don't know what to do about it, but it annoys me, and I won't have patience for people that try to push their pathetic little wishy-washy pseudo-psychological fantasy agendas. If they want to live in denial of the world's problems and play mental tricks on themselves to keep up their fake smiles, then hey, what can I do to stop them? But I won't let them drag me into it! NONE of us should allow them to drag us into it! People who don't have, say, severe chronic depression don't (and to a great extend can't) understand the mental universe in which the depressed person lives. The sort of "mental space" that the depressed person inhabits is just different, and the non-depressed person is like someone who lives in another country trying to understand the first person's country without visiting there ("Why don't you just eat hamburgers?"). I wouldn't say that all non-depressed people are putting on a false pretense or playing mental tricks on themselves. They legitimately don't feel the way depressed people do. But they shouldn't go around giving "helpful" advice to those of us struggling with chronic severe depression (or any other mental health issue). Also, julienbakerfan's 9th law--85% of people who are very active on the internet are terrible people. 10% are OK people in real life, but the anonymous nature of the internet gives them a forum to exhibit their worst tendencies. 5% of OK (e.g. this forum) JBF's 10th law--People who are highly active on the internet tend to be people with piss-poor social skills . Thus, expecting people you meet on the internet (I assume your "friend" was someone you met that way based on your story, but I could be wrong) to behave in a decent fashion, in accord with society's norms of politeness, is like expecting to have an intellectually stimulating conversation with a toddler or a dog. Humane social interaction on the web is the exception, not the norm.
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Post by anfauglith on Feb 21, 2020 14:50:40 GMT -6
I think I became a kind of (christian?) agnostic (again). There still are quite a few things in christianity that attract to me but on the other side many teachings and ideas on how ones personal life should go when you are a christian never ever work with me and I am sick of being forced to live under the constant burden of making myself a bad conscience over things I cannot change or that are a otherwise cherished part of my unique personality. So I decided not to bother any more. What denomination are/were you? Methodist since 2015.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Feb 21, 2020 15:32:01 GMT -6
Follow-up to my post on the Temple of Perdition thread: while doing some quick "research" for that post, I ran across an online forum for magick users. Really sad stuff, including one post from a guy freaking out because he (thinks he) is possessed by Belial. Let's remember to pray for these people. This stuff is way out of my wheelhouse, as I tend to lean more atheist/materialistic in my personality (I'm not an atheist btw), and as a philosophy student I find a lot of the "mystical" stuff silly and unappealing.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Feb 21, 2020 20:28:48 GMT -6
I find a lot of the "mystical" stuff silly and unappealing. Oh, it's real. I know what you mean by "atheist personality, but not an atheist". I have it too. But "mystical" things are just as real as anything scientific. You can't evaluate them using scientific tools, but you can evaluate them using scientific methods. The problem is, of course, that users of "magick", "occultists" etc (people who believe as I used to) don't use the Bible as a tool to discern their experiences. My account of demonic possession matches 100% exactly with the descriptions given in the Bible, for example. The Bible also mentions "familiar spirits", with which I also used to deal. People underestimate Scripture, and don't heed its warnings. Or, in many cases it seems, don't even bother to read those warnings in the first place. (I fell into the 2nd group.) Yes, indeed - let's pray for people who are still on that path.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Feb 23, 2020 9:25:30 GMT -6
Ditched someone today. CLASSIC "fair-weather friend". Was SO NICE to me when we were just goofing off in a game. Really hit it off. But since they were faced with the reality that I don't have a magical cure for my chronic mental disorders and in REAL LIFE, problems don't just "go away" with some half-assed advice, they insulted me and threw my problems, back in my face. How do I keep meeting people like this? Its not just you that encounters this bro. I can't speak for all games, all communities or all folks participating in online discussion, but there's some people out there that seek to control others online. (control freaks) I've seen it more than once where me or someone else asks a question (related or not related to a game) and when their answer is rejected (albeit in "thanks but no thanks" kind of way), I've seen folks flip out that their "advice" wasn't treated like sacred texts, and they become downright belligerent.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Feb 23, 2020 20:45:24 GMT -6
I've seen folks flip out that their "advice" wasn't treated like sacred texts
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Post by julienbakerfan on Feb 25, 2020 22:57:28 GMT -6
After watching the famous interview clip with Gaahl from Gorgoroth, I've decided that we need to do an interview where someone asks Thomas Eversole what the inspiration for Christian black metal is. He will pause for a moment, take a sip from a bottle of protein shake, and then, in a menacing voice, say "Jesus!"
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 1, 2020 12:22:40 GMT -6
Had a surprise attack out of nowhere yesterday. On Reddit (probably no surprise to anyone), on the server for one of the games I play (maybe a little bit of a surprise). Dude made a post and he was very mad about.... something.... Keep in mind, this is related to the game and its mechanics. I'd also like to preface, he lashed out to literally everyone else that replied to him too.
I responded to his post, legitimately trying to understand his frustration - I was sincerely trying to be nice. I asked if he was mad about A or B, and He replied something akin to - Why don't you just listen to your Christian metal and try to be a man. What are you, trolling me for Jesus? Think about this when you're in church, douchebag.
I'm usually terrible at NOT returning fire, when fire comes my way, but I'm glad I was able to show restraint for this.
It appears to me he was trying to publicly shame me based on my non-game Reddit profile interests. A fail on his part, I'm certainly loud and proud when it comes to my faith and Christian metal... but it still kind of made me feel weird. Got like a "cancel culture" vibe from it, and I think it says a lot about someone when they're mad, so they go stalker-mode, try to find dirt on someone their mad at online, and then call them out to the internet about it.
(and to the world, being a Christian and liking Christian metal qualifies as "dirt" I guess)
Anyway, it appears his original topic was deleted and I haven't seen him since he was lashing out last night. I did report that post as a "personal attack", which did break the rules for this gaming sub.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 1, 2020 20:58:09 GMT -6
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Post by Borndead on Mar 2, 2020 9:52:48 GMT -6
I'm truly not knowledgeable about history, but I would have never expected for Martin Luther to be such a huge anti-semit.
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Post by julienbakerfan on Mar 2, 2020 20:17:48 GMT -6
Beep boop *run (hypocrisy.exe)*
Pray to your God Beep boop *run (pray.exe)* *Error*
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Post by julienbakerfan on Mar 2, 2020 22:09:08 GMT -6
I know Thomas Eversole had mentioned a band whose album art was someone being crucified upside down and disembowled. The band said it meant "Death to the false Christ" or something. Well, I finally found it. Can't post the pic right now bc I'm using mobile. Edit: The Unworthy is the name of the band.
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Post by anfauglith on Mar 10, 2020 13:09:43 GMT -6
These days it seems to me that a main christian teaching is that whatever good happens to you and whatever stuff you get done right is because God allowing it so you have actually no part in doing it. If bad happens to you or you suffer from maybe stupid decisions you made, bad luck, taking the wrong lane somewhere it is of course on you because you did not listen to Him properly. Somehow sad.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 10, 2020 13:40:27 GMT -6
These days it seems to me that a main christian teaching is that whatever good happens to you and whatever stuff you get done right is because God allowing it so you have actually no part in doing it. If bad happens to you or you suffer from maybe stupid decisions you made, bad luck, taking the wrong lane somewhere it is of course on you because you did not listen to Him properly. Somehow sad. That is sad. I would consider this and other similar "teachings" to be reminiscent of "prosperity gospel". (ala "Have your best life now! $$$$$ Just turn to Jesus! $$$$$$$") What I believe... We as Christians on this planet, we're pretty much on our own. Sin is in this world, also "shit happens", and God doesn't swoop into our lives and calibrate the universe to suit our every favor and comfort. As Christ alluded to in Matthew 5, the sun rises on good people and evil people, it rains on people who are just and unjust. We were never promised "rewards" or "treasures" in our lives on this earth. Obviously, the true benefit of our faith would commence after this worldly, temporal life. When death is defeated, and we go to heaven to be with our Lord.
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Post by anfauglith on Mar 11, 2020 10:50:31 GMT -6
For me this is a very important point that "shit happens". Also I would advocate for such a thing as a certain amount of liberty and human free will. I can't relate to a taught version of God in which nearly everything we do is held against us. In my idea of it all, God allows, for what reasons ever, not ours to tell, randomness and failure and also choice. (I hope this doesn't get confused now). We certainly can chose how to act and we bear responsibility for it. But there are things that are bigger than we are. The forces of nature. Sometimes even habit. Things we experienced in life. All that can blur our judgement and our acting. So I would advocate for being happy if one gets something done, does good, tries to be a "good person" instead of just some mindless dork. And also I think that everyone deserves a certain amount of mercy and grace. I often see that christians are very judgy when it comes for people that loose their faith. Hm... it's sure a sad thing. But is it really right to occupy some christian moral high ground saying "Oh, then this guy did never believe at all. If he'd listen more to the holy spirit, the bible, his or her pastor... .... (and additional would not be such a sissy), he would have endured all his trials. Let him go to hell then.". I surely don't think so. Like I said there are things that are bigger than us happening. Things for we are not to blame that we experience them. So... maybe a more positive outlook on humans, human life, human trials. Maybe that is not christian, but I can't believe it in any other way. In short: I think we can chose to do good. And other way round we are not responsible for everything that happens to us (which does not mean we are not responsible for anything). These days I am a big fan of pragmatism, love and mercy, reason and critical thinking, and (haha) somehow also of the conditions (material, spiritual, moral, metal...) of human life on earth.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 11, 2020 12:26:24 GMT -6
Also I would advocate for such a thing as a certain amount of liberty and human free will. I can't relate to a taught version of God in which nearly everything we do is held against us. In my idea of it all, God allows, for what reasons ever, not ours to tell, randomness and failure and also choice. (I hope this doesn't get confused now). I honestly can't relate to "everything we do is held against us" either, my friend, even though that may be technically true. I think its a matter of perspective, really. I'll use my marriage as an example. My wife is amazing, and I'm lucky to have her as my spouse. I do and say things to annoy her. Its not deliberate, its just me being me. I *could* invert my self-esteem and revolve my life on worrying that if I annoy her enough times, that she'll stop loving me or start considering divorce. Ironically, being in a perpetual state of worrying that I will annoy her... would annoy her. LOL I've seen some people that have a "I'm not worthy" approach to their faith. Like the cornerstone is "I don't want to go to hell." and their focus is "not sinning" and when they do sin, they are devastated. Existence revolves around avoiding flames. The other side of the analogy, yes I annoy my wife sometimes. We annoy each other.... it happens. We're on the same team though. Our marriage isn't about a growing list of screw-ups, its about our love and acceptance for each other, and that continues to grow. Likewise, I've seen other Christians that have a "love God, love each other, love myself" approach to their faith. The cornerstone is "I love God and want to be with Him". Not to excuse the wrongs, but its not really about the wrongs, its about love. Our sins are paid for, for a reason. God wants us to believe in Him, He loves us, and He's on our team. If we stand with God, we will stand with Him, with His help. While the person who prioritizes "don't sin, I'm not worthy, stay out of hell" and the person who prioritizes "God is love, I am saved, heaven will be great" are both right in their own way... the latter person would be considerably happier I'd think, and dare I say, they got Christianity more figured out too. I often see that christians are very judgy when it comes for people that loose their faith. Unfortunately, I've often seen Christians that are very judgmental about a lot of different things. Especially online where there's no eye contact, and oodles of "keyboard courage".
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Mar 11, 2020 20:46:32 GMT -6
For me this is a very important point that "shit happens". "Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish." - Luke 13:4-5
Seems a lot of ""Christians"" forget this.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 14, 2020 11:35:53 GMT -6
Crazy times we're living in. I used to cough to hide a fart, and now I fart to hide a cough.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 17, 2020 12:58:24 GMT -6
Barak Obama considered H1N1 a national emergency October 2009. November 2009 the CDC said there were 22 million American infections, 4,000+ American deaths. There was awareness, but no panic.
Trump considers Coronavirus a national emergency a few days ago 4,700+ US cases and 93 US deaths (as of 10 or so hours ago) Full on MASS HYSTERIA in this country.
Buy all the toilet paper. Close the schools, churches and restaurants. Stay home. Wash your hands a billion times a day. Never touch your face again.
I know these two diseases have biological differences, but I honestly think the media coverage between both time periods is different too, and undoubtedly a variable...
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Post by julienbakerfan on Mar 19, 2020 20:54:02 GMT -6
I'm kind of enjoying it. Now that I have nothing to distract me, only a few hours at work, no errands to run, and the threat of imminent death, I'm finally getting a lot of stuff done.
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Post by Thomas Eversole on Mar 20, 2020 9:23:13 GMT -6
By the grace of God, it's been 13 years to the day, since I've had a drink of alcohol.
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Post by nocturnaliridescence on Mar 23, 2020 18:16:48 GMT -6
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Post by Kaiheijinshu on Mar 23, 2020 23:56:16 GMT -6
I do not really get much of a similar feeling to black metal from especially the former, but a rendition of the latter was included on Panopticon’s Kentucky album along with several other folk songs about related topics.
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